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What man did with the image is not what the image is.
Who told you man has no true choice?
You're using the relative, subjective word "true" like you think a predestined choice isn't a choice (truly). What in the definition of choice precludes that act of decision from having been determined by the omniscient creator of the creature who makes that decision? I assert it is still a choice, just one that you personaly value less for some reason (as if you don't own it), because God destined it.
Here's your dilemma (and the ultimate Arminian dilemma) squint;
God created all those people who eventually end up in Hell.
God obviously knew at the time he created them that they would end up in hell.
But God created them anyway.
Is THIS the God you know?
Dalmas
our God gave man free will.
Did you chose you parents?
Explain your role in your first (physical) birth.
no and we didn't choose to be created by god either
but HE chose to give us freewill
this is his primary will in our creation
a being free to choose
his secondary will is for us to choose right and come to him
The new birth like our physical birth was not the will of man but of God.
John 1:12-13
12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
The new birth like our physical birth was not the will of man but of God.
John 1:12-13
12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Actually predestined means predetermined. you are thinking of predicting I think.let me just say that there is a difference between
predetermined and predestined
predetermined means that god decided our will for us by design(which would make our will, gods will in essence)
predestined means he already knows the outcome of the choices he gave us to make
these words are somewhat interchangeable but I think you know what I'm getting at
I told you that the words are interchangeable
but I think they still capture the difference I'm going for
foreknown is a better word
exactly -- Romans 8 -- predestination is contingent upon foreknowledge. God did not choose some for salvation and some for condemnation but rather He foreknew the outcome.
We did not say that He chose some for eternal punishment.. He chose those to whom He gives salvation to..exactly -- Romans 8 -- predestination is contingent upon foreknowledge. God did not choose some for salvation and some for condemnation but rather He foreknew the outcome.
Where does scripture state that foreknew means he knew our actions and not us? Let me put some scripture up..
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many works of power?
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; "depart from Me, those working lawlessness!"
Rom 8:29 because whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the First-born among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 But whom He predestinated, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
We did not say that He chose some for eternal punishment.. He chose those to whom He gives salvation to..
Rom 8:29 because whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be the First-born among many brothers.
Rom 8:30 But whom He predestinated, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
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