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if it was only gods will then you COULD blame god
if we were not responsible for our choices then we would not be sinners, god would be
And? Monergism and Free Will are compatable. Just never the Pelagian's idea of free will.
There have not been "a few." Augustinianism has been the position of your church the vast majority of history.
Again, synergism is not the only model which includes human responsibility. You are mistaking presence of responsibility for the notion of cooperation, or synergism. Go read Aquinas and you will find he was not a synergist.
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1023.htm#article6
If you read that and percieve the doctrine of predestination therein to be different from Reformed predestination in any significant degree, you are misunderstanding monergism.
Half straw man. If God chooses to leave a man in his sin, his hard heart prevents him from being saved, the same way all are saved, by faith. He always "can" do something about it. He "can" believe. He just won't. As Luther put, "We can will, but we don't want to will."
For one, because I'm "Reformed," not "Calvinist," and I'm more familiar with Edwards' position on the will than Calvin's. Edwards' position is a matter of philosophical free will.Why go around the vicious circle yet again and not explain the difference between philosophical "free will" and Calvin's notion of Divine Voluntarism?
Being responsible & being guilty are not always the same thing.if it was only gods will then you COULD blame god
if we were not responsible for our choices then we would not be sinners, god would be
Are all men justified? Obviously not. Is every man alive in Christ? Also obviously not. No one is just alive, but not justified.
For one, because I'm "Reformed," not "Calvinist," and I'm more familiar with Edwards' position on the will than Calvin's. Edwards' position is a matter of philosophical free will.
Yes, but does not Edward's notion of the will go back to Augustine's in that the divine and human wills are "compatible" in the fixed order of God's Providence, that the human will operates on its main desire (which for the unregenerate is sin), and that God's sovereign plan cannot be thwarted no matter what happens for good or evil?
You said "for one," what about the other comments I made above?
Go to the zoo and start feeing the lions hay instead of meat. the lion will starve to death. The lion is free o eat as much straw as it likes and the straw has all the nutrients needed to keep the lion alive, but it will not eat. It does not starve because it is forced but because it is not in it's nature to eat straw.
The same is true of man. We are free to come t God. Nothing is preventing us from making that choice forcibly. It is just not in man's sinful nature to make that choice and turn to God as a result of Adam's fall.
MamaZ said:Adam and Eve procreated as God set it up from the beginning. That is why all men are sinners because the very first of the Human race sinned. Sin begets sin... Therefore all men are born to die. It is the eternal life that is given by Gods Grace and through His will and choosing. For that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Which all of the born into Christ are. But one must be born into Christ through the Spirit of God and this is of Gods choosing and not mens works thoughts or actions..It is pure grace
Claymation?Well, I could try, but it won't be pretty, LOL!
Scripture says that God is the Potter and we are the clay.
Compared to a robot, which moves around, makes funky noises computes certain things, and actually gets some stuff done, clay just sits there. Robots, on the other hand, at least create an illusion of something akin to autonomy (provided their batteries are charged on a regular basis).
Long story short, the notion that we are robots is too flattering, if Scripture's statement on the issue is any indicator.
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Go to the zoo and start feeing the lions hay instead of meat. the lion will starve to death. The lion is free o eat as much straw as it likes and the straw has all the nutrients needed to keep the lion alive, but it will not eat. It does not starve because it is forced but because it is not in it's nature to eat straw................
Pete said:The same is true of man. We are free to come t God. Nothing is preventing us from making that choice forcibly. It is just not in man's sinful nature to make that choice and turn to God as a result of Adam's fall.
Which 'adam fell?
The one referred to in Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed 'adam of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and 'adam became a living soul. 8. And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the 'adam whom he had formed.
or the one referred to in Ecclesiastes 7:29 "Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made 'adam upright; but they have sought out many inventions." ? ? ?
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