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God knows who will make it, we don't. Not even Paul:
Nobody but God knows who will make it. One doesn't need to know who makes it to believe in predestination. Believing in predestination doesn't give one special powers or make them prophets. It just means they know how to rightly divide the word.
Can someone please put to rest the notion that predestination turns humans into robots?
Well, I could try, but it won't be pretty, LOL!
Scripture says that God is the Potter and we are the clay.
Compared to a robot, which moves around, makes funky noises computes certain things, and actually gets some stuff done, clay just sits there. Robots, on the other hand, at least create an illusion of something akin to autonomy (provided their batteries are charged on a regular basis).
Long story short, the notion that we are robots is too flattering, if Scripture's statement on the issue is any indicator.
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Just don't get caught in the showerYou must endure to make it until the last day.
Why do we need to keep watchful?
He will come like a thief in the night!
That's your opinion. But people like Augustine and Aquinas who were free will Monergists disagree with you, and while you are free to disagree with what they say, you are not free to make them into synergists simply because they accept free will.Monergism is not compatible with free will. It is merely a rhetorical defense mechanism devised by men embarrassed by their theology.
Because the text says "Justification and life for all men," and it's an example of obvious cherrypicking to seperate justification and life, one into a christian-only gift, and the other as a form of semi-pelagian prevenient grace. You may not give life to all men if you do not give justification to all men, which is heresy.Why not? Because it conflicts with your dogma?
this is my take on that verse:
god gave the Pharaoh every chance in the world to repent
he saw many signs and wonders and still refused to submit to god
god knew the outcome and created everything knowing that pharaoh would reject him in that moment
so ultimately he did make him with a hardened heart because he knew it would happen based on his implemented design of creation
but it was pharaohs choice to harden his heart apposed to accepting gods spirit
There are, however, persons who attempt to find excuse for themselves even from God. The Apostle James says to such: Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts He any man. But every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then, when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death. James 1:13-15 Solomon, too, in his book of Proverbs, has this answer for such as wish to find an excuse for themselves from God Himself: The folly of a man spoils his ways; but he blames God in his heart. Proverbs 19:3 And in the book of Ecclesiasticus we read: Say not, It is through the Lord that I fell away; for you ought not to do the things that He hates: nor say, He has caused me to err; for He has no need of the sinful man. The Lord hates all abomination, and they that fear God love it not. He Himself made man from the beginning, and left him in the hand of His counsel. If you be willing, you shall keep His commandments, and perform true fidelity. He has set fire and water before you: stretch forth your hand unto whether you will. Before man is life and death, and whichsoever pleases him shall be given to him. Sirach 15:11-17 Observe how very plainly is set before our view the free choice of the human will.
but once again this was ultimately god's will because he created everything knowing that Pharaoh would reject him
12(X)Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from (Y)the living God. 13But (Z)encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called "Today," so that none of you will be hardened by the (AA)deceitfulness of sin.
14For we have become partakers of Christ, (AB)if we hold fast the beginning of our (AC)assurance firm until the end,
15while it is said,
"(AD)TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS, AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME."
16For who (AE)provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, (AF)did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses?
17And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, (AG)whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
18And to whom did He swear (AH)that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were (AI)disobedient?
19So we see that they were not able to enter because of (AJ)unbelief.
That's your opinion. But people like Augustine and Aquinas who were free will Monergists disagree with you, and while you are free to disagree with what they say, you are not free to make them into synergists simply because they accept free will.
Because the text says "Justification and life for all men," and it's an example of obvious cherrypicking to seperate justification and life, one into a christian-only gift, and the other as a form of semi-pelagian prevenient grace. You may not give life to all men if you do not give justification to all men, which is heresy.
There are, however, persons who attempt to find excuse for themselves even from God. The Apostle James says to such: Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts He any man. But every man is tempted when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then, when lust has conceived, it brings forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death. James 1:13-15 Solomon, too, in his book of Proverbs, has this answer for such as wish to find an excuse for themselves from God Himself: The folly of a man spoils his ways; but he blames God in his heart. Proverbs 19:3 And in the book of Ecclesiasticus we read: Say not, It is through the Lord that I fell away; for you ought not to do the things that He hates: nor say, He has caused me to err; for He has no need of the sinful man. The Lord hates all abomination, and they that fear God love it not. He Himself made man from the beginning, and left him in the hand of His counsel. If you be willing, you shall keep His commandments, and perform true fidelity. He has set fire and water before you: stretch forth your hand unto whether you will. Before man is life and death, and whichsoever pleases him shall be given to him. Sirach 15:11-17 Observe how very plainly is set before our view the free choice of the human will.
but once again this was ultimately god's will because he created everything knowing that Pharaoh would reject him
12(X)Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from (Y)the living God. 13But (Z)encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called "Today," so that none of you will be hardened by the (AA)deceitfulness of sin.
14For we have become partakers of Christ, (AB)if we hold fast the beginning of our (AC)assurance firm until the end,
15while it is said,
"(AD)TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,
DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS, AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME."
16For who (AE)provoked Him when they had heard? Indeed, (AF)did not all those who came out of Egypt led by Moses?
17And with whom was He angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, (AG)whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
18And to whom did He swear (AH)that they would not enter His rest, but to those who were (AI)disobedient?
19So we see that they were not able to enter because of (AJ)unbelief.
thats my main problem with calvinism
it gives people an excuse to say " god made me a sinner so its his fault, I'm gonna hate him and sin and thats just how he made me"
and thats rubbish
but if you do fall into that lie god already knew you would and decided to go ahead with creation despite that fact...but its still up to your decisions which are worked into gods design
Just don't get caught in the shower
2 Peter 3:10 Shall be arriving yet day of Lord as thief in night, in which the Heavens boomingly shall be passing-away/pareleu-sontai <3928> (5695), elements yet burning shall be being loosed, and Land and the in her works shall be being burned.
Reve 16:15 Behold! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one-watching and keeping the garments of him, that no naked he may be walking-about and they may be observing the indecency of him
In that case I will only sleep and shower during the day before the sun goes down......Or even worse, in BED with another MAN!
Luke 17:34
I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Apparently coming in the night though eh?
http://www.rhapsody.com/player?type=track&id=tra.17146442&remote=false&page=&pageregion=&guid=&from=&hasrhapx=false&__pcode=
It says LEADS TO Justification and life for all men,"
You read it as ASSURES Justification and life for all men,"
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