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So maybe there are at least some points where we can find a common language
So, perhaps, EO ascetic praxis can be understood (in light of your description of 'doing') not as 'works', but as a struggle against the passions, etc. to open us more to hearing Him ?
Stop reading scripture through the trouble mind of Calvin. Read it yourself!
Chesterton, I have never read the Scriptures "through the mind of Calvin." That is both impossible, and entirely contrary to my entire approach.
Your assumption could not be more false, and could not be more uninformed and, therefore, ignorant of reality.
Your horribly vain attempt to label me has failed so miserably that you are not worth discussing the issue with further.
Your horribly vain attempt to label me has failed so miserably that you are not worth discussing the issue with further.
I'd say it's more common thought, often derailed by the use of different languages.But..yes.
Maybe, but for us works are more a matter of Christlike mercy and obediance to his call for loving each other, and less about struggling to overcome our own passions for whatever reason.
I would give all I have just to see those 2 in a private debateHe treats everyone who isn't a member of his "church du jour" with equal disrespect. But you are totally correct that the best approach is to engage those other posters who are here to discuss ideas.
The struggle to overcome the passions is typically the realm of the ascetic practices (fasting, self-denial in general). Mercy is an "outcome", in a sense.
Stop reading scripture through the trouble mind of Calvin. Read it yourself!
ArcticFox, may ask what you think of my assessment of Calvinist assumptions of the human will in post #281?
Then why defend their positions.
My points are directed to Calvinists, not quasi Calvinists.
5 points Calvinism is not a flexible dogma.
Jesus died for all men.
Calvinists deny this. If you don't deny this, then you aren't a Calvinist.
Chesterton, I have never read the Scriptures "through the mind of Calvin." That is both impossible, and entirely contrary to my entire approach.
Your assumption could not be more false, and could not be more uninformed and, therefore, ignorant of reality.
Your horribly vain attempt to label me has failed so miserably that you are not worth discussing the issue with further.
It depends on the context and what we know to be true.
He treats everyone who isn't a member of his "church du jour" with equal disrespect. But you are totally correct that the best approach is to engage those other posters who are here to discuss ideas.
quote]Thank you to all those who pointed out Chesterton's tendencies to treat everyone with a lack of respect, since it's nice to know that it isn't just me.[/
Any time you'd like to brush up on your understanding of the classic - moderate Calvinist position, let alone a high-cal position. Go to calvin and calvinism.com before making unfounded statements like you do. (I can't link yet)Then why defend their positions.
My points are directed to Calvinists, not quasi Calvinists.
5 points Calvinism is not a flexible dogma.
Jesus died for all men.
Calvinists deny this. If you don't deny this, then you aren't a Calvinist.
Not all Calvinists are your strawman, something akin to hyper-cal.
For the record, I was addressing A New Dawn, who made this comment when unable to accept the bible as written because it directly contradicted limited atonement:
It depends on the context and what we know to be true.
What we know to be true means: What Calvinist theologians have taught me. IMO.
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