Calvinist Baptist Talk

[theseed]

BT, your censuring the bible.


1 Corinthians 1
21 For since in the wisdom of God (1) the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, (2) God was well-pleased through the (3) foolishness of the message preached to (4) save those who believe.
22 For indeed (5) Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom;
23 but we preach [1] (6) Christ crucified, (7) to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles (8) foolishness,


Emphasis mine.

1 Cor. 2.5 also contains the words "message" and "preaching", thus proving my point that 1 Cor. 1.18-5 is about the gospel message.

 

[BBAS 64]

I'm a sinner just like you. You did write not too long ago to take a look at your works, well, take a look... You seem to think, at least by your posts, that you're above the rest of us, giving us questions of the week like we're in your youth group and as long as you keep getting the pats on the back from the BT bandwaggon you feel good. Well, I hope you feel good. You really need to stop acting like your the pastor of this forum correcting everyone's understanding of the Bible, it may just be you who needs the correcting.

Thank you for not making me look bad, that was very nice of you. Be sure to give me a heads up the next time you come to town, I'll be sure to skip church that sunday.

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On another note, anyone listen to www.aomin.org a few days ago, the program about John 6? If you haven't take a listen.

SP

Good Day, SP

Hope you are well.

Are you talking about the one with Charles Stanley?

http://aomin.org/dividingline.html

I have listened to both Mr. White's show on this as well as Mr. Stanley's sermon. It was quite the eye opener for me as I have great respect for Dr. Stanley. I was kind of hoping that Dr. Stanley would call in to that show and discuss the issue and explain his seemingly in cosistant view re: Paul.

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[JM]

Good Day, SP

Hope you are well.

Are you talking about the one with Charles Stanley?

http://aomin.org/dividingline.html

I have listened to both Mr. White's show on this as well as Mr. Stanley's sermon. It was quite the eye opener for me as I have great respect for Dr. Stanley. I was kind of hoping that Dr. Stanley would call in to that show and discuss the issue and explain his seemingly in cosistant view re: Paul.

Peace to u,

Bill

That is the one, I couldn't believe how much double talk Dr. (I think he's a doc) Stanley was doing. I too respect and listen to Charles Stanley, but after the last Dividing Line I won't be able to.

Hey brother BBAS, are you a baptist? Do you attend a Reformed Baptist Church? Are you a dispensationalist? I've been doing a lot of thinking and reading and hope to pick your brain.

sp

 

[BT]

1 Cor. 2.5 also contains the words "message" and "preaching", thus proving my point that 1 Cor. 1.18-5 is about the gospel message.

Well that's one way of looking at it.

 

[BT]

BT, your censuring the bible.

That is ironic. But I'm willing to let a sleeping dog alone.

 

[BBAS 64]

Well that's one way of looking at it.

Good Day, BT

Yes, that is one way of looking at it and it is much differnet then the way you look at it why is that. Seed has used the words that are used in the passage to draw his conculsions based on the meanings of those words and how the context is built around those words.

So, his understanding has some basis in trying to understand what was written and the way it is written, your basis is?

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[BT]

Good Day, BT

Yes, that is one way of looking at it and it is much differnet then the way you look at it why is that. Seed has used the words that are used in the passage to draw his conculsions based on the meanings of those words and how the context is built around those words.

So, his understanding has some basis in trying to understand what was written and the way it is written, your basis is?

Peace to u,

Bill

Well that's one way to look at it.

 

[BBAS 64]

That is the one, I couldn't believe how much double talk Dr. (I think he's a doc) Stanley was doing. I too respect and listen to Charles Stanley, but after the last Dividing Line I won't be able to.

Hey brother BBAS, are you a baptist? Do you attend a Reformed Baptist Church? Are you a dispensationalist? I've been doing a lot of thinking and reading and hope to pick your brain.

sp

Good Day SP

Do not be so hard on the good Dr. I still listen to him as he is a great teacher and has an abilty to relate to me on a simple level. He to is not infallible and thus can be in error much like any of us. In heaven he will be a Calvinist just like every one elese in that we will be there because of the will of the father that Jesus was driven to complete for those who the father gave.

Can I get an

I am reformed in my thinking, I attend a independant Baptist church where the "Doctrines of Grace" are misunderstood by many there. Dispensationalist vs Covenant I am not sure where I fit in there as the views are intertwined depending on whom you talk to, the raise of the NPPism "NT Wright" is some what concerning to me and how these views are explained. My dear brother you can pick my brain all you like I would ask that you use a teaspoon to do it with, as I may run short on brains if you pick out big pieices.

For His Glory Alone!

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

Well that's one way to look at it.

Good Day, BT

Another way would be...........

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[BT]

Good Day, BT

Another way would be...........

Peace to u,

Bill

Well Bill why don't you do what I did and make a simple exegesis (although not very in-depth) on the chapter then?

 

[BT]

Good Day SP

In heaven he will be a Calvinist just like every one elese in that we will be there because of the will of the father that Jesus was driven to complete for those who the father gave.

I am reformed in my thinking, I attend a independant Baptist church where the "Doctrines of Grace" are misunderstood by many there.

Oh my.

 

[BBAS 64]

Well Bill why don't you do what I did and make a simple exegesis (although not very in-depth) on the chapter then?

Good Day, BT

I will do that as long as we agree on what exergesis is:

Exegesis
Exegesis is when a person interprets a text based solely on what it says. That is, he extracts out of the text what is there as opposed to reading into it what is not there (eisegesis). There are rules to proper exegesis: read the immediate context, related themes, word definitions, etc., that all play a part in properly understanding what something says and does not say.


As compared to :

Eisegesis
Eisegesis is when a person interprets and reads information into the text that is not there

I will try to do this over the week-end and will post it here, I will try to be as basic as I can, but some times that can lead to err as fundemental standards of such work can be over looked or seen as not relavent, because a prelimanary conclusion has already drawn.

Waiting for your work on JN 8, as mine is 95 % completed.

For His Glory Alone!

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

Oh my.

Good Day, BT

I guess that is one way to look at it, another would be "Oh me". Wonder what makes one expression better that the other I guess it could be your point of view.

For his Glory Alone!

Bill

 

[BT]

Waiting for your work on JN 8, as mine is 95 % completed.

Whoa nelly! What work on JN 8? Did I drop the ball somewhere?

 

[BT]

Good Day, BT

I guess that is one way to look at it, another would be "Oh me". Wonder what makes one expression better that the other I guess it could be your point of view.

For his Glory Alone!

Bill

On this you get an .

 

[BBAS 64]

Whoa nelly! What work on JN 8? Did I drop the ball somewhere?

Good day, BT

Posts 146 and 155 of this thread, unless I misunderstood you if that is the case I seek your forgiveness as I have misrepresented your intentions.

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[JM]

Waiting for your work on JN 8, as mine is 95 % completed.

For His Glory Alone!

Bill

Can't wait.

 

[BT]

Good day, BT

Posts 146 and 155 of this thread, unless I misunderstood you if that is the case I seek your forgiveness as I have misrepresented your intentions.

Peace to u,

Bill

I'll go read them....

 

[BT]

Good day, BT

Posts 146 and 155 of this thread, unless I misunderstood you if that is the case I seek your forgiveness as I have misrepresented your intentions.

Peace to u,

Bill

I see.. ok we said it would be a good idea to do it, but I didn't realize that we were doing it. I'll start.. so you're gonna have to give me a couple of days (at least)

 

[BT]

Good day, BT

Posts 146 and 155 of this thread, unless I misunderstood you if that is the case I seek your forgiveness as I have misrepresented your intentions.

Peace to u,

Bill

Hi Bill,

I'm sorry but I have to leave this thread. Going back over the things that have been said and the emotions stirred up, and a literal flood of my PM box. I have to leave this discussion now. In retrospect, the result of the debate was not worth the debate itself. Relationships are shattered, people are confused, feelings are hurt and nothing has been really resolved (nor in truth do I expect it could be resolved). It's nothing but page after page after page of the same ol' same ol'. So I'm going out of this thread and going back to other things that are more beneficial to all involved. I'll put soteriology on the shelf for awhile (in this forum board) and move on to other aspects of theology. I'll continue to try to help people understand things, and understand them myself, but I won't go on with this senselessness.

For those of you offended I have went back over my posts and removed your quotes. I see no need to carry on like this. I have a great deal of respect for all of you and I would rather just opt out than go on in circles. I'm not too concerned for those of us (our understanding) who are in the debate. My concern is for those who have been coming in and reading what we've been talking about. I don't think we have been adding any clarity to the discussion. Just more of one side versus the other. I'm getting PM's from people who are more confused than ever.

For those of you who have PM'ed me about this. I'm going to stay out of it. I will continue to answer your PM's on this subject and any other that you have questions about, as best as I can. And I apologize to you for my part in confusing you.