Calvinist Baptist Talk

[FreeinChrist]

In heaven he will be a Calvinist just like every one elese in that we will be there because of the will of the father that Jesus was driven to complete for those who the father gave.

Actualy no, everyone in heaven will be a CHRISTIAN, and those that had been Calvinists on earth will realize their errors.

 

[cygnusx1]

Actualy no, everyone in heaven will be a CHRISTIAN, and those that had been Calvinists on earth will realize their errors.

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[BibleJunky]

Do you accept that Christians are secure in their salvation?

Yep, IF they are following after Christ. once they turn back, nope.

 

[kyzar]

Hey all,

Well I just finished reading this 29 page thread! Boy was that fun!!! (A whole 3 hours of fun!!!)

I was dissappointed I was hoping to ask and add to the discussion that took place up to page 26, but I guess were off that now...

Something quick anyway... My girlfriend (soon to be fiance ) and I are in a v. difficult situation as I see it... Im essentially a baptist (wouldn't put myself in the specific denomination, but my beliefs are virtually identical) and she is Reformed...

I figured since this thread was entitled 'Calvinist Baptist Talk' I could put this in...

We've obviously come up against some biblical barriers because of our different denominations. but one thing we do agree with is the idea of 'free will' to the extent of saying that God gave all mankind the oppertunity to be saved, as stated in John 3:16 etc. 'whosoever believeth in me shall not perish but have eternal life.' Even though her own mother disagrees with my gf, she can't agree with what her church teachers, which is basically: we are all sinners, and the only way to become a Christian is for God to choose (and have chosen) you and for Him to change you. (That part I essentially have no problem with however...) Only those that God has chosen, the 'elect' will be saved. We find that when we look at verses such as John 3:16 and likewise, we can't agree that God doesn't giveeveryone the oppertunity/ability to be saved by God's freely given grace... He Does!!!

I know what I will say now is not from the bible, but I can't bring myself to belive that our loving merciful God would create the world with the intent to have millions and millions of people go to an unimaginably evil place like hell... I know that this is my own opinion and that God made us and thus can do whatever He wants with us... But yeah...

I guess I haven't outlined the main 'problem' we have. She wants our future children baptised as children... I can't understand why... I mean I have heard the whole 'God elects children of belivers to go to heaven much in the same way that adults will when they die.' and this is a reason for baptising infants?! I personally hold to Spurgeon's own thoughts on the matter, that any person (typically infant unable to come to Christ) including those of an unsound mind, that die will go to heaven... Yes, there will be a lot of babies in heaven!!!! But i have no problem with this... I just feel that if you don't believe in election as a doctrine of salvation, then how can you see any point in baptising your children?

I doubt I will read replies to this posted on this thread... SO if you have any comments i would appreciate them sent to iarazmatazi1@hotmail.com.

Thanks Guys, and God bless,

 

[James1979]

I have a mentally retarted cousin who doesn't talk very well and so forth. So basically since he hasn't made a confession and receive Jesus in his heart, does that mean my cousin will never enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[BT]

I have a mentally retarted cousin who doesn't talk very well and so forth. So basically since he hasn't made a confession and receive Jesus in his heart, does that mean my cousin will never enter into the kingdom of God.

No my friend it does not mean that at all. Either side of this disagreement would agree that your cousin will go to heaven. The calvinist would say that he is elected so he is safe, the non-calvinist would say that he has not reached (nor will he) the state of accountability. It is the same with children who pass away, they have never been able to decide and are therefore innocent (non-calvinist), or they are elect people (calvinist). Either way the two sides agree on this, that a person who is mentally incapable of believing in Christ is under the mercy of God.

 

[JM]

No my friend it does not mean that at all. Either side of this disagreement would agree that your cousin will go to heaven. The calvinist would say that he is elected so he is safe, the non-calvinist would say that he has not reached (nor will he) the state of accountability. It is the same with children who pass away, they have never been able to decide and are therefore innocent (non-calvinist), or they are elect people (calvinist). Either way the two sides agree on this, that a person who is mentally incapable of believing in Christ is under the mercy of God.

Hey BT, (without starting another fight :crosself: ) where in Scripture is the age of accountability?

 

[BBAS 64]

Hey BT, (without starting another fight :crosself: ) where in Scripture is the age of accountability?

Good day, SP

* Bill ducks under desk

 

[JM]

What's up brother, my computer melted, yup, melted....so I'm stuck using a computer at work when things get slow. I've been wanting to log onto Dr. White's chat but can't.

What do you think of this 'age of accountability?' I have a hard time finding scripture to back it up, what is the age of accountability? 12, 13, 14? I believe salvation is a gift, a gift that doesn't depend on mankinds' ability to understand it, the lost don't understand sin either....

God bless.

 

[cajunhillbilly]

I'm a Anglican Calvinist , and I too have problems with the concept of the age of accountability. I too what like some Scripture that backs that up.

 

[BBAS 64]

What's up brother, my computer melted, yup, melted....so I'm stuck using a computer at work when things get slow. I've been wanting to log onto Dr. White's chat but can't.

What do you think of this 'age of accountability?' I have a hard time finding scripture to back it up, what is the age of accountability? 12, 13, 14? I believe salvation is a gift, a gift that doesn't depend on mankinds' ability to understand it, the lost don't understand sin either....

God bless.

Good Day, SP


You do know I what to use 2 other letters right?

Wondered were you have been? Melted that has to be bad ! Dr. White was up your way this week end. The age of accountabilty not sure I even know what that is , kind of a thing it depeneds who you talk to and what they have at stake.

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[JM]

No, tell me?

 

[BBAS 64]

No, tell me?

 

[BBAS 64]

Hey all,

Well I just finished reading this 29 page thread! Boy was that fun!!! (A whole 3 hours of fun!!!)

I was dissappointed I was hoping to ask and add to the discussion that took place up to page 26, but I guess were off that now...

Something quick anyway... My girlfriend (soon to be fiance ) and I are in a v. difficult situation as I see it... Im essentially a baptist (wouldn't put myself in the specific denomination, but my beliefs are virtually identical) and she is Reformed...

I figured since this thread was entitled 'Calvinist Baptist Talk' I could put this in...

We've obviously come up against some biblical barriers because of our different denominations. but one thing we do agree with is the idea of 'free will' to the extent of saying that God gave all mankind the oppertunity to be saved, as stated in John 3:16 etc. 'whosoever believeth in me shall not perish but have eternal life.' Even though her own mother disagrees with my gf, she can't agree with what her church teachers, which is basically: we are all sinners, and the only way to become a Christian is for God to choose (and have chosen) you and for Him to change you. (That part I essentially have no problem with however...) Only those that God has chosen, the 'elect' will be saved. We find that when we look at verses such as John 3:16 and likewise, we can't agree that God doesn't giveeveryone the oppertunity/ability to be saved by God's freely given grace... He Does!!!

I know what I will say now is not from the bible, but I can't bring myself to belive that our loving merciful God would create the world with the intent to have millions and millions of people go to an unimaginably evil place like hell... I know that this is my own opinion and that God made us and thus can do whatever He wants with us... But yeah...

I guess I haven't outlined the main 'problem' we have. She wants our future children baptised as children... I can't understand why... I mean I have heard the whole 'God elects children of belivers to go to heaven much in the same way that adults will when they die.' and this is a reason for baptising infants?! I personally hold to Spurgeon's own thoughts on the matter, that any person (typically infant unable to come to Christ) including those of an unsound mind, that die will go to heaven... Yes, there will be a lot of babies in heaven!!!! But i have no problem with this... I just feel that if you don't believe in election as a doctrine of salvation, then how can you see any point in baptising your children?

I doubt I will read replies to this posted on this thread... SO if you have any comments i would appreciate them sent to iarazmatazi1@hotmail.com.

Thanks Guys, and God bless,

Good Day, Kyzar

If you happen to come back what were your questions.

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, all

The well known Baptist John MacArthur on the question:

I think the best way to answer that is to say this: There is no "Age of Accountability" identified in Scripture, as such. There is nothing in the Bible that says, "Here is the 'age' and from here on you are responsible!" I think the reason for that is because children mature at different paces. That would be true from culture to culture, and from age to age in history. So the Lord in His wisdom, didn't identify a specific moment. God knows when that soul is accountable. God knows when real rejection has taken place; when the love of sin exists in the heart. When enmity with God is conscience and willful. God alones knows when that takes place.

http://www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-17-5.htm

Peace to u,

Bill

 

[mrshoward]

Well, I haven't read the entire thread because I'm at work and 30 pages is a bit much of this---but I do have a question, and I don't have an opinion on it, just wondering: we are dead in our trespasses and sins, correct? I think we can all agree the Bible says this. So when does the soul die? Or are we born with dead souls?

When does the soul enter the body? (I am NOT entirely convinced it does so at conception---and this is not a post about abortion, so don't go there---but because fertilized eggs often fail to implant in the uterus, it seems ridiculous that there are souls of those children floating around somewhere. but I digress).

Perhaps the reason a child goes to heaven when it dies is that it's soul hasn't died?

I'd love some opinions!

Karen

 

[costlygrace]

Some of the Mennonites consider a (normal) child to not be accountable until he turns 12, and then to suddenly be accountable for his sins. Meaning no offense to anyone, I have a real problem with that way of thinking, particularly since sinful choices manifest themselves much earlier.

I believe that we are accountable from the time we are first cognizant enough to make self-willed decisions, which can vary from one child to another, but is very early in life.

 

[theseed]

I'm a Anglican Calvinist , and I too have problems with the concept of the age of accountability. I too what like some Scripture that backs that up.

An Anglican Calvinists Now I've seen it all :o :o

 

[James1979]

No my friend it does not mean that at all. Either side of this disagreement would agree that your cousin will go to heaven. The calvinist would say that he is elected so he is safe, the non-calvinist would say that he has not reached (nor will he) the state of accountability. It is the same with children who pass away, they have never been able to decide and are therefore innocent (non-calvinist), or they are elect people (calvinist). Either way the two sides agree on this, that a person who is mentally incapable of believing in Christ is under the mercy of God.

We cannot know who is God's elect because God can only see the heart. Our heart is desperately wicked before God. If God has chosen my cousin before the foundation of the world, then yes he will be in heaven but at the same time God didn't have to save anyone one of us but he obligated himself to save some, not all.

 

[kyzar]

Bill,

Hi, yeah I guess I didn't ask any particular questions... Um, well I guess I don't have any... I was just after a bit of reassurance... I've discovered how diffcult and complicated life can be simply dating another Christian... It has become really clear why God doesn't want us to be 'yoked with anunbeliver,' it would be a religious nightmare!

Thanks,

Tarran