Calvinism Refuted

[Hammster]

The Greek word translated 'see' here has a broader meaning. It doesn't merely mean to see visually, but to experience something. That range of meaning is found in the English word as well, but is rarely applied in America at least. One example is, 'Will I see the day when you finally get a job?!' lolol The translators had to go with 'see' because that is the literal meaning of the word; but once again, limitations of language prevent the richness of the original from showing through. For the translators to have added an explanation would have detracted from the text.



So for Jesus to speak in v. 3 of 'seeing' the kingdom of God and then in v. 5 to speak of entering the kingdom of God are quite similar. The action described is a one-time event, ENTERING the kingdom of God. It is not a process, progression or continuing action, but a point in time. That itself is quite significant for purposes of understanding the application of the word.

I appreciate york answer. It was actually one that made sense. My only argument with it is that it only makes a difference if all we were talking about were word-for-word translations. A thought-for-thought translation would not have that restriction, and could very easily used experience instead of see. And since it is a thought-for-thought translation, it would seem best to do so if your view is correct. Also, there are more meanings of the word 'see' than just experience.

Regardless of weather or not it really should mean see or experience really doesn't matter much to the argument. The real issue is what does Jesus mean when He says 'born again', or born from above. The real challenge is to figure out why He would use that particular phrase when He had so many other choices.

It seems that using born is a way to say that, much like your first, or natural, birth, you have no control over the events. It is just something that happens to you. This would also be consistent with Ephesians 2. It also makes sense in light of Romans 8:28-30. While not a passage directly dealing with regeneration, it does show God's sovereignty in who He chooses and what He does to them.

Well, enough of that for now. Hopefully I can get some sleep.

 

[MamaZ]

The answer to Calvinism and all religions is the Gospel.

Romans 5:19, "For as by one man's disobedience (Adam) many (all of humanity) were MADE sinners, so as by the righteousness of one (Christ) many (all of humanity) shall be MADE righteous."

Romans 5:15-18, Says that this is God's great free gift to humanity 5 times.

Jesus Christ by his sinless life has offered to God a life of perfect obedience (this is my son in whom I am well pleased) Not only did he fulfill the law he abolished it by nailing it to his cross. All that Christ has done, and all that he is, is ours by faith. We have been MADE perfect and complete in him. No one needs to be predestinated.

Jesus Christ has elected all of humanity in himself. He is the new Adam and representative of the human race. Christ has perfected all of humanity and has taken it to heaven. God sees all things as perfect in Christ.

Jesus Christ is victorious over sin, death and the devil. If you do not believe that then you should not call yourself a Christian because you are an unbeliever.

Since Christ has done all of the work to provide salvation for fallen man this salvation is ours by faith alone. No one needs to be predestinated all of humanity has been elected in Christ.

Well if all of men have been elected whey then so much hatred towards Christianity? Why still all the sin in the world? Why are mothers still killing their children? The elect of God are those who have been chosen and predestined to be conformed in the image of Christ. Election and predestination is the truth of the Gospel showing us that God does not change. His mercies are new every morning. He draws and calls His own and His own hear His voice.

 

[MamaZ]

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Spirit is not mentioned in v. 3 either. A reasonable match is that v. 5 gives further detail about the message in v. 3. Being born again means to be born of water and the Spirit. I think there is good support for this understanding, but will get to that a bit later.

As for the alternative of 'born of flesh' referring to physical birth, doesn't appear to add up. 1) everywhere else natural birth is spoken of, it is described as 'born of a woman' and the like. 2) nowhere else is natural birth spoken of as born of water.

There is evidence of baptism by immersion signifying a death to the old life and raised up to begin a new life. See Rom. 6. There is also evidence connecting water baptism with baptism by the Holy Spirit, see for example the dove alighting on Jesus at His baptism.

Dave

Does not add up to who? For we see that Jesus was even born of a woman. He was born of the water Himself. As all men that are ever born are born of water. The water has to be broken before babies can be born. The natural birth of flesh. But not all men are born of the Spirit. For being born of the Spirit is not of mens will or choosing.

 

[MamaZ]

We can all have faith and we can all believe, but accepting the gospel is hardly an academic exercise. Satan is alive and well out there, doing everything in his power to prevent that from happening.

Well within a natural man themselves cannot understand the things of God. For they are foolishness to a natural man. So it is not all the devils fault here but the fault of sin in mankind and men being aliens to God and His Spirit. This came through Adam.

 

[MamaZ]

Then please do share your understanding of the issue you mentioned a few posts back--which is, you seem to see a difference between belief and faith, in some way. Please specify and clarify.

As for the Calvinist view of 'regeneration,' we are familiar with that generally speaking. At the moment, we are looking at the Scriptural teaching about regeneration, rather than the Calvinist view which so far does not appear to be Scriptural. Another term would perhaps be more appropriate and less confusing for that early stage of spiritual growth.

So if a calvanist view of regeneration is not scriptual you have yet to disprove it. For we see that Only Jesus sheep will hear His voice and follow. We see that God has predistined us before the foundation of the world. We see that we have been prestestined to Adoption.. How have you disproved any of this? We see also that Gods choice would stand not because of Works but Because of Him who calls.

 

[MamaZ]

Hammster

With all due respect to you as a religious person, you never say anything of any importance. You are the king of the one liners.

Someone who is not willing to defend his theology but posts questions and comments as you do must have a hidden motive for doing so. I am beginning to wonder if you know anything about Calvinism.

One must not look in the mirror and put all men under the reflection one sees when looking there..

 

[MamaZ]

Regeneration before faith? This is an incredible misunderstanding of a fundamental of the faith and there is nowhere to prove it, except as Calvinists prove all their points, WITHOUT SCRIPTURE. (one must read the whole thing you know).

The reason for the cross was regeneration because of sin that separated from God. It caused death! Take away the sin and reconciliation of the sinner with God takes place. (Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.)

The question is; Did he put away sin by that sacrifice. Some on here say no, he did not. But he did put it away and God said about the world in 2 Cor 5 (19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.)

Is there a single Calvinist out there who believes the "world" is the antecedent to the pronoun "them", and that world means "kosmos"? I doubt it!

If Adam sinned and he died as a result in the very day he sinned, but he did not die physically until 930 years later, are we looking at a spiritual death in the day he died? Yes!

And if sin is put away by one person on behalf of all people (Christ died for every man He 2:9) and God's wrath against all men was propitiated by his sacrifice (1 Jn 2:2), then dead men who have already been reconciled by his son can be regenerated by his Spirit, if his Spirit is his life. (Ro 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.) The body is said to be dead and not the spirit because man does not have a spirit. He is soul and body and death is separation from God and not total inability as we have been told.

Time out for a point:

Just because a man can be regenerated does not mean he must be regenerated or even that he will regenerated because God says he must receive salvation as a free gift in the name of Jesus Christ by faith before God will justify him and forgive him. (Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name)

Back to the main point:

The Spirit of God "quickens" the body and by the fact he indwells him. (Ro 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.) If the Spirit is life, he is also a gift, a free gift. (17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ).

So the Holy Ghost is not only synonymous with "life", he is also synonymous with "grace" and therefore with salvation.

So, the most important thing concerning the sacrificial death at Calvary is the fact that Jesus Christ paid the penalty for the world's sins and sent his own Spirit to give life, as he gave him life (see 1 Pe 3:18 here), to as many as would receive him by believing on him. (Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.)

In Acts 2:38 and Acts 8:14-18 and acts 19 1-7, the Jews were required to believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, be baptized in water in his name for the remission of their sins and have the approval of the apostles as conditions for receiving him (They had to lay hands on them). Later, when God sent him to the gentiles in Acts 10, they received him upon the lone condition of believing in his death, burial, and resurrection for their sins. This is true for everyone today. Since Acts 2, Jesus Christ is in our presence on earth in the person of the Holy Ghost and he is regenerating every sinner who will believe in Jesus Christ.

Now, since this is happening we have the foolowing comparison.

Adam - 1) son of God - 2) Trinity; body, soul and Spirit (life)

Sin

Death - Adam 1) No longer son of God - 2) Body and soul.


Jesus Christ (Last Adam) - 1) son of Man - 2) Trinity; body, soul, Spirit

Sin (Calvary)

Death - 1) Spiritual and physical 2) Separtion of soul, body, Spirit


Son of God

Regeneration at the tomb - Gloified body, soul, Spirit (Ro 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead)

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you



Born in Adam = Son of man
Born in Christ = Son of God


Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn (son of God) from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

Ro 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he (his son) might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

What does it take to be a son of God and belong to God? The Spirit indwelling.

This is REgeneration!

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The Holy Spirit is the personification of his grace!

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

I hope this helps some of you.

Now tell me it is mans choice.. Free will choice.. Where even the scripture you gave us shows that is not by works of righteousness which any of us have done. Even the believing part or the faith part..For without faith it is impossible to please God and if it is not any works that we have done then it must not be our faith but the gift of Faith from God also..

 

[JDS]

I would like to respond and comment on these options. First, the idea of it being natural birth:

1. I am not aware of anywhere in the gospels, or in the NT for that matter, physical birth is described as being born 'of water.'
2. Physical birth IS described by Jesus and the gospel writers in a different way than 'born of water.'

These two considerations together reduce the probability of the phrase referring to physical birth. In addition, there is nothing about the word 'water' itself as used here which would support the idea of it describing physical birth. Gr. for 'water' here pertains to water in rivers, fountains, pools.

Secondly, the idea that 'of water' pertains to the Word. Jesus spoke often of the Word, the Scriptures. But He never described it as 'water.' When Jesus does speak of water in a symbolic sense, He refers to the Holy Spirit, (cf. Jn. 7) but never to the Word. When He spoke of the Scriptures, He referred to them as the Scriptures. Paul speaks of the washing of regeneration through the Word, I believe--although even that verse does not equate the Word with water.

Since Jesus DID speak of water as signifying the Holy Spirit in some places, should we conclude that that He is meaning the Spirit when He mentions water in v. 3? Problem is, Jesus says 'of water AND the Spirit.' For that reason, this option does not appear reasonable.

Remaining option above is baptism. Is baptism connected Scripturally with being born again? Is water baptism connected with dying to the old life and rising up to a new life? Is water baptism connected with the baptism of the Holy Spirit?

The word water is not used symbolically in John 3. A distinction is being made in two different kinds of births, flesh and Spirit. The context must be relied upon to determine the meaning.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

There can be no doubt that being born of water is in reference to be born of flesh when these words are taken at face value.

From verse 10 through 21, Jesus is answering the question posed to him in V 9 of how a man can be born again of the Spirit.

Water baptism is not essential for being born again. See the story of Cornelius in Acts 10, 11.

 

[JDS]

Now tell me it is mans choice.. Free will choice.. Where even the scripture you gave us shows that is not by works of righteousness which any of us have done. Even the believing part or the faith part..For without faith it is impossible to please God and if it is not any works that we have done then it must not be our faith but the gift of Faith from God also..

Faith is not a work but even God cannot convince you that it is not. If one can read Romans 4 and come away believing that faith is a work, then my statement is proven and because understanding this is fundamental and foundational to any bible subject we might discuss, the liklihood of any agreement on anything scriptural is low to nil.

 

[MamaZ]

Don't have my regular study tools handy, but here is a quick online definition of the word:


Here is the link:

http://www.greekbible.com/l.php?ei)se/rxomai_v--aan----_p

KIM as well that the verb here is aorist, that is punctiliar action.



That is in process, and will compare what the Bible teaches about it side by side with what you have posted.

εἴδω
i'-do
A primary verb; used only in certain past tenses, properly to see (literally or figuratively); by implication (in the perfect only) to know: - be aware, behold, X can (+ not tell), consider, (have) known (-ledge), look (on), perceive, see, be sure, tell, understand, wist, wot.


This is my greek text and what it says about see. Now there is a vast difference between what you have put up and what mine says.

 

[MamaZ]

Faith is not a work but even God cannot convince you that it is not. If one can read Romans 4 and come away believing that faith is a work, then my statement is proven and because understanding this is fundamental and foundational to any bible subject we might discuss, the liklihood of any agreement on anything scriptural is low to nil.

So if one is to have faith then where does this faith originate from?

 

[JDS]

The truth about election according to the foreknowledge of God:

This age that we are living in is described by God as a present evil age Ga 1:4. It is an age that encompasses the time between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and his second coming to this earth. It is a time of mysteries and if this time, say from 70 AD were to be taken out of our bible and had never happened, then no promises of God from the OT relative to his covenants would be violated but history would have been written quite differently and the express will of God would have been realized on the earth.

This age is not a subject of the OT prophets and none of them prophecied about the church of Jesus Christ. The church doctrines are a revelation given at a point in history, by the Spirit, after Israel had rejected her new covenant in the blood of Jesus Christ by which she should be saved. The church is said to be "the mystery of Christ" and it was hidden in the counsel of God from before the foundation of the world. It could never have been learned by men and through study or meditation but had to be specifically revealed by God himself.

Though the church was not prophecied in the OT, it was hidden there in types and shadows and figures in the people and the events and the ceremonies and the stories that are recorded there. If Israel would have received her Messiah and saviour, Jesus Christ, the church of Jesus Christ would not have been a reality and we would never have had those things revealed to us and no one would have been the wiser.

God is a covenant making God and he made promises to Israel in the 4 unconditional covenants he has made with them and those promises are predicated upon an obedient faith only. In the Abrahamic covenant, God promised to raise up a perpetual nation through whom he would bless all the other nations of the world by the promised seed from Abraham, whom we know now to be Jesus Christ.

The promises of God are immutable and irrevocable and because of this he says "Ro 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance." He says these words in the context of his New Covenant promise to save Israel. God is not limited unless he limits himself and he has done that by swearing to these covenants he has made to this people see He 6. However, it is required that both parties agree to the new covenant as they did to the old covenant in Ex 19:1-8. Israel did not accept the new covenant and so God disolved their national status and suspended their covenant promises by reckoning them dead and dispersing them thoughout the nations of the world as a measure of chastening according to the land covenant in De 28-30.

Historically speaking, it was not until her official rejection of the Messiah and his salvation in Acts 7 that God began to extend his gracious message outside the boundaries of Israel, beginning with the Samaritans in Acts 8, the African in the last part of the chapter. Finally, he called the apostle Paul to be the apostle to the gentiles and it was through him that he revealed the mystery of Christ, the church of Jesus Christ, wherein he would chose anyone in all the world who would simply believe in his son for salvation. He would choose them because the Spirit of God was regenerating them and baptizing into the body that he was forming, consisting of Jew and gentile believers. This is what election is said to be and just because God foreknew it does not mean that it had to happen.

If God had made promises to Israel in legal covenants and they would have obeyed him, there would not have been a need for a church because God would have saved them and they would have been a missionary nation to the world as they will be after the rapture of the church and during the mellinnial reign of Christ from Jerusalem. The OT prophets predict this. If Israel could not have been obedient to God, then God is the author of their disobedience and we have a doctrine of fatalism.

 

[JDS]

So if one is to have faith then where does this faith originate from?

Pardon me if I do not engage in Calvinists self deception. This is a silly question.

 

[drstevej]

Faith is not a work but even God cannot convince you that it is not.

JOHN 6:29 (King James-7 times refined)
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

 

[drstevej]

Pardon me if I do not engage in Calvinists self deception. This is a silly question.

Easier to label a question "silly" than to provide a cogent answer?
Actually it is the watershed question between Calvinism and synergists.

 

[JDS]

JOHN 6:29 (King James-7 times refined)
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Are you saying God had faith?

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Why were they sure?

Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world (The Disciples): thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

 

[drstevej]

The truth about election according to the foreknowledge of God:

This age that we are living in is described by God as a present evil age Ga 1:4. It is an age that encompasses the time between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and his second coming to this earth. It is a time of mysteries and if this time, say from 70 AD were to be taken out of our bible and had never happened, then no promises of God from the OT relative to his covenants would be violated but history would have been written quite differently and the express will of God would have been realized on the earth.

This age is not a subject of the OT prophets and none of them prophecied about the church of Jesus Christ. The church doctrines are a revelation given at a point in history, by the Spirit, after Israel had rejected her new covenant in the blood of Jesus Christ by which she should be saved. The church is said to be "the mystery of Christ" and it was hidden in the counsel of God from before the foundation of the world. It could never have been learned by men and through study or meditation but had to be specifically revealed by God himself.

Though the church was not prophecied in the OT, it was hidden there in types and shadows and figures in the people and the events and the ceremonies and the stories that are recorded there. If Israel would have received her Messiah and saviour, Jesus Christ, the church of Jesus Christ would not have been a reality and we would never have had those things revealed to us and no one would have been the wiser.

God is a covenant making God and he made promises to Israel in the 4 unconditional covenants he has made with them and those promises are predicated upon an obedient faith only. In the Abrahamic covenant, God promised to raise up a perpetual nation through whom he would bless all the other nations of the world by the promised seed from Abraham, whom we know now to be Jesus Christ.

The promises of God are immutable and irrevocable and because of this he says "Ro 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance." He says these words in the context of his New Covenant promise to save Israel. God is not limited unless he limits himself and he has done that by swearing to these covenants he has made to this people see He 6. However, it is required that both parties agree to the new covenant as they did to the old covenant in Ex 19:1-8. Israel did not accept the new covenant and so God disolved their national status and suspended their covenant promises by reckoning them dead and dispersing them thoughout the nations of the world as a measure of chastening according to the land covenant in De 28-30.

Historically speaking, it was not until her official rejection of the Messiah and his salvation in Acts 7 that God began to extend his gracious message outside the boundaries of Israel, beginning with the Samaritans in Acts 8, the African in the last part of the chapter. Finally, he called the apostle Paul to be the apostle to the gentiles and it was through him that he revealed the mystery of Christ, the church of Jesus Christ, wherein he would chose anyone in all the world who would simply believe in his son for salvation. He would choose them because the Spirit of God was regenerating them and baptizing into the body that he was forming, consisting of Jew and gentile believers. This is what election is said to be and just because God foreknew it does not mean that it had to happen.

If God had made promises to Israel in legal covenants and they would have obeyed him, there would not have been a need for a church because God would have saved them and they would have been a missionary nation to the world as they will be after the rapture of the church and during the mellinnial reign of Christ from Jerusalem. The OT prophets predict this. If Israel could not have been obedient to God, then God is the author of their disobedience and we have a doctrine of fatalism.

Off topic. Try here. I am sure some will want to challenge your hyper dispensationalism there. I may even offer you some insight there.

 

[JDS]

Easier to label a question "silly" than to provide a cogent answer?
Actually it is the watershed question between Calvinism and synergists.

Haven't you learned anything about humanity by experiencing it?

Anyone who does not have omniscience must exercise faith. One can believe any information that he receives but there is only one thing that a person can believe that will justify him before God. That is what God says!

In the eternal state, faith will not be a principle for the church.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come (the eternal state), then that which is in part (prophecy and partial knowledge) shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

The greatest is charity because it is the eternal principle and faith and hope has ceased.

 

[JDS]

Off topic. Try here. I am sure some will want to challenge your hyper dispensationalism there. I may even offer you some insight there.

Actually, Benefactor asked me if I believed in election and I answered his question.

 

[MamaZ]

The truth about election according to the foreknowledge of God:

This age that we are living in is described by God as a present evil age Ga 1:4. It is an age that encompasses the time between the resurrection of Jesus Christ and his second coming to this earth. It is a time of mysteries and if this time, say from 70 AD were to be taken out of our bible and had never happened, then no promises of God from the OT relative to his covenants would be violated but history would have been written quite differently and the express will of God would have been realized on the earth.

The Mystery is revealed to those whom are the body of Christ.The will of God is expressed upon the earth and History is what it is because it has been predestined to be such by God.

This age is not a subject of the OT prophets and none of them prophecied about the church of Jesus Christ. The church doctrines are a revelation given at a point in history, by the Spirit, after Israel had rejected her new covenant in the blood of Jesus Christ by which she should be saved. The church is said to be "the mystery of Christ" and it was hidden in the counsel of God from before the foundation of the world. It could never have been learned by men and through study or meditation but had to be specifically revealed by God himself.

Wow many prophecies of the Bride of Christ in the OT and from the prophets.
The central theme of all Old Testament prophecy concerns the coming King, who will rule in God's promised Kingdom. If there is one major emphasis of all Old Testament prophecy, it is that God is going to set up His rule. He is going to have a Kingdom like no other kingdom has ever been. The King of that Kingdom will be none other than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. Over and over again, the Old Testament promises that there is One who is to come, who has the wisdom and the power needed to bruise the usurper's head (Gen. 3:15). The One who is capable of taking back man's lost dominion and setting up the Kingdom of God on earth and throughout eternity is identified by the Old Testament prophets as the Anointed One, or the Messiah.

Though the church was not prophecied in the OT, it was hidden there in types and shadows and figures in the people and the events and the ceremonies and the stories that are recorded there. If Israel would have received her Messiah and saviour, Jesus Christ, the church of Jesus Christ would not have been a reality and we would never have had those things revealed to us and no one would have been the wiser.

I fail to see you comprehension here.

God is a covenant making God and he made promises to Israel in the 4 unconditional covenants he has made with them and those promises are predicated upon an obedient faith only. In the Abrahamic covenant, God promised to raise up a perpetual nation through whom he would bless all the other nations of the world by the promised seed from Abraham, whom we know now to be Jesus Christ.

exactly and these are the sons of Promise those whom are born of God through the Holy Spirit..

The promises of God are immutable and irrevocable and because of this he says "Ro 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance." He says these words in the context of his New Covenant promise to save Israel. God is not limited unless he limits himself and he has done that by swearing to these covenants he has made to this people see He 6. However, it is required that both parties agree to the new covenant as they did to the old covenant in Ex 19:1-8. Israel did not accept the new covenant and so God disolved their national status and suspended their covenant promises by reckoning them dead and dispersing them thoughout the nations of the world as a measure of chastening according to the land covenant in De 28-30.

It mattered not if they agree'd or not.. They were under the convenant of God and therefore were Gods people whether or not they agree'd. God only chastizes His Children. The rest outside of Gods covenant remain under the wrath of God.

Historically speaking, it was not until her official rejection of the Messiah and his salvation in Acts 7 that God began to extend his gracious message outside the boundaries of Israel, beginning with the Samaritans in Acts 8, the African in the last part of the chapter. Finally, he called the apostle Paul to be the apostle to the gentiles and it was through him that he revealed the mystery of Christ, the church of Jesus Christ, wherein he would chose anyone in all the world who would simply believe in his son for salvation. He would choose them because the Spirit of God was regenerating them and baptizing into the body that he was forming, consisting of Jew and gentile believers. This is what election is said to be and just because God foreknew it does not mean that it had to happen.

Jesus spoke of His other sheep before all rejected Him from the OC. Your preception of Gods foreknowledge is skewed. For it is not God foreknowing works but fornknowing the people..

If God had made promises to Israel in legal covenants and they would have obeyed him, there would not have been a need for a church because God would have saved them and they would have been a missionary nation to the world as they will be after the rapture of the church and during the mellinnial reign of Christ from Jerusalem. The OT prophets predict this. If Israel could not have been obedient to God, then God is the author of their disobedience and we have a doctrine of fatalism.

What you seem to not understand is that the law of Moses was not put there as a help but as a witness against them. They were already disobedient due to sin in their life.. Just as every man is. The law was put as a witness against them..