Calvinism is Temporally Minded. Missing Revelation.

Laura Lee

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Again, I assert I knew that God was 100% Sovereign... and there was election and reprobation... when I was 8 years old.

So, it never ceases to amaze me that people think they are incredibly advanced... when they know what is elementary and basic to reading the Bible one time.

And thinks that is "all there is to know"... and "let's keep repeating what we know"... like we know everything.

So, humility is the prerequisite to know more.

Admitting you don't know everything.... and looking for what you missed.

And, I might add, that I will not pity one person who reads this thread... and thinks "I know everything! I'm a Calvinist!"... and has the end of the Church of Laodicea.
 
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LOL at previous picture!! Please don't respond like that as I discuss... "Limited Atonement". :)

Calvinism made a foundational error when it considered only the flesh of man and declared that election and reprobation is a groundless and arbitrary decision of God in FORESIGHT OMNISCIENCE... and Sovereign power combined.

Election and reprobation are certainly based on God's Sovereign power.

However, to declare that election is arbitrary rather than according to literal spiritual foreknowledge... is to make the election of the elect groundless in the blindness of one's own scope of vision and perception and judgment... falsely.

And, if all one sees is "all mankind fell in Adam in his flesh" with the tunnel vision of temporally minded flesh-centered limited scope of vision... the logical conclusion would be, "If God intended to save all mankind in an Unlimited Atonement... then the reprobate would be saved in their human lifetimes JUST LIKE the elect (because there is no fundamental difference whatsoever between the elect and the reprobate). So, because the reprobate are not saved in their human lifetimes, and the elect are, and these two people groups are exactly the same in all respects... then God does not will to save the reprobate at all. The atonement is, therefore, logically stated to be LIMITED!"

Is that scriptural? No.

1. There is an inherent difference unseen at the spirit level between the reprobate and elect.
2. God will without fail save the elect in their human lifetimes because their spirits are in Christ before the foundation of the world; election having grounds in spiritual pre-existence in Christ (just as at the moment of Adam's creation our flesh bodies were in his like Levi in the loins of Abraham).
3. God simply cannot, by spiritual law, save the reprobate in their human lifetimes because their pre-existent spirits are of the devil before the world in a fully and totally blasphemous state in total depravity; reprobation having grounds in spiritual pre-existence already condemned (just as at the moment of Adam's creation our flesh bodies where in his loins like Levi in the loins of Abraham).

The whole foundation of Calvinism in arriving at the errant conclusion of Limited Atonement is based on the fallacious argument that God indiscriminately chose the elect and, if He had so willed, could have likewise saved all the reprobate also during their human lifetime. (Thus the conclusion that because God didn't save the reprobate in their human lifetimes, though He could have, it's not God's will to save the reprobate at all.)

No, it is not true!

God could not save the reprobate in their human lifetimes. Their pre-existent spirit man is in a fully blasphemous state that is unchangeable! There is ZERO possibility for the spirit of a devil to repent! The state of blasphemy in full blasphemy is resident in their spirits and unchangeable in a human vessel!

There is NO WAY POSSIBLE for God to save Esau in his human lifetime.

Can you bring the spirit of a devil to repentance and faith? NO! Period.

It is not possible!

Therefore, that the reprobate of John 8 die in their sins is unavoidable. It is cause and effect.

Predestination is the result of spiritual origination and state of being prior to being made human.

Reprobation of the reprobate is by unchangeable spiritual law... even as election of the elect is by unchangeable spiritual law.

This spiritual law removes from God the Father all allegation that He loves the elect more than He loves the reprobate.... and that God arbitrarily chose to create the reprobate for the purpose of eternal damnation from an arbitrary and groundless decision.

The image that is created of God as a God who would look at human beings who fell equally in the fall of Adam... choosing some to election and some to reprobation "duck, duck, goose" is not an accurate portrayal of God in His Character or Person and is not an accurate portrayal of the image of God in His Heart and Character as God.

No, the revelation of scripture is that God simply cannot save the reprobate in their human lifetimes because their total depravity is full at the core level of their spirits in an unchanging blasphemous state spiritually.

Their human souls, due to the restraining power of the Holy Spirit, will not manifest the total depravity that is at the core of their spiritual personhood in truth... unless the Holy Spirit lifts restraint so that they manifest fully as what they are at core spirit level.

So, no matter how a reprobate "appears"... that reprobate is as Judas was: a devil at core spiritual state of being in a completely blasphemous state that cannot change during human lifetime.

There is ZERO remedy for the spiritual state of a reprobate in human lifetime... because a reprobate is born into this world with a pre-existent spirit man who is already FULLY in a FULL state of unchanging blasphemy.

No reprobate can be saved in their human lifetimes... and God cannot be charged with creating a poor innocent human being to spend eternity in hell!!

No! This is not what happened in the testimony of scripture.

God in Infinite Longsuffering Common Grace... brought the spirits of the devils into the Genesis creation on the First Day for the purpose of making them human.

They are on "vacation from hell" in their human lifetimes... and God is ever gracious.

They will assuredly die in their sins and go to hell. God graciously made them human.

But, they came from hell in spirit and their blasphemous spirits will never repent or believe Jesus Christ in a human lifetime... and thus their own spiritual state causes them to die in their sins and go to hell.

Who hath known the mind of the Lord or been His counsellor?

And who condemns the righteous judgments of God for these humans being created, being predestined of God in their creation to die in their sins and go to hell??

They are devils incarnate.

Let God be vindicated by the revelation of His Word as wicked men assail His Character falsely accusing God of cruelty.

God has not been cruel in the Bible truth of reprobation... but GRACIOUS AND LOVING AND KIND in making them human!

The Atonement is not proven Limited by their deaths in their sins.

Rather, the Calvinist is not looking to see the larger plan of God.
Where do you come up with the idea that we all preexisted? Certainly, Scripture does not proclaim that. The you can come are the gnostic Scriptures, but they conflict with orthodox Christianity.
 
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Calvinism has no comprehension or vision or understanding of the spiritual realms and principalities. Man is so central and exclusive in the 5 Points of Calvinism... that Calvinism "doesn't care" and "doesn't look".

That's why I say that Calvinism is missing 70% of the revelation of scripture... and majors in the minors making man central when man is not central to God's eternal whole counsel plan.

Calvinism is like a man who is watching a ballgame fixated on the 3rd inning. He cares not how the teams were formed, how they arrived, and cares not for the first and second innings...nor the 4th -9th innings.

Calvinism declares, "I see what happens in the 3rd inning!" and calls this the "whole game". It is not.

Calvinism must expand it's horizons to study the principalities and powers of darkness... the realms of Heaven... step back to see the end from the beginning of the Genesis creation at the supernatural level of the principalities and powers... see before time and after time... and see one whole plan... or it's a 3rd inning level revelation of a ballgame.

That's not full revelation. And to declare it full revelation is vain.

Ephesians 3:10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Colossians 1:16 for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
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