Netpreacher said:
God allows those He has not chosen to be deceived into thinking they are saved? The Bible tells us that all that call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. If a person calls upon Jesus, whether they are called by Him or not, they will be saved for His oath's sake.
When God is asked for a piece of bread, He will not give a stone. If someone calls on Jesus, but isn't elect, then God just strings them along, tricking them into deception? Giving them false assurance? Blinding their eyes? Destroying them, even though they have believed the Bible for what it says?
There was one who cast out devils who was not among the disciples, and Jesus didn't call him! However, he was vindicated by the Lord, even though he was not called personally by Jesus Christ. This proves that election is not individual, but corporate.
Jesus called the rich man, but the rich man eventually didn't follow Jesus. Either Jesus really didn't mean it when He called the rich man, which would make Him kinda mean (I speak as a man), or the rich man rejected Him out of his own free agency.
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Many make a false confession in the LORD. They do it no tout of faith in Him, but out of perhaps a "religious high" brought about by a meeting service. Perhaps a persons seeks only the saving from Hell and not to follow after the narrow way.
Matthew 11
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
God hid himself from these. There was an outward call to repent, yet God did not grant repentance to them. An outward call to serve God goes out to all, but the inward call goes only to the elect.
The Bible records God hardening the hearts of many, according to His holy will.
God kept the two son's of Eli from listening to their father:
1 Samuel 2
25 If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.
Jehovah sents His mercy to who it pleases Him:
Romans 8
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
He has mercy on who He will. Even this, He chose us before we where born so that His soverign election will be clear and that no one will say salvation is in anyway of themselves. (verse 11)
I neither want to sound hateful, for all of my family are free-willers, as well as most of my friends. As I have said, I am just defending my faith.
