Calvinism, explained.

[ToBeLoved]

I am asking you why replace the Gospel with OUR personal testimony? Is the Gospel not enough?

You seem to be a better talker than listener. That's cool. Talk on!

 

[ladodgers6]

I think this conversation is over your head.

I have tried to patiently explain what I am talking about but you do not seem to understand, so let's move on. Sometimes people need to think a few minutes about what the other person is saying instead of adding their own opinion before they even understand what is being said.

Your right I am too dumb to understand this.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I understand what you are saying,but our works even as believers are not the cause of our Redemption,they are the effects of it.That's all I am saying.

WHAT PART OF "NOT ME", BUT THAT "I AM SHARING THE GOSPEL WITH SOMEONE ELSE" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

If I am sharing the gospel, I am already saved. So your premise makes no sense as I am not looking for my own salvation, I have it already.

So, why do you think that I am saved and sharing the gospel? For myself or Christ?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Your right I am too dumb to understand this.

I didn't say that. I said I do not think that you are thinking it through but seem to be on a tangent that you think I am applying works to my salvation.

Read what I said.

 

[tulipbee]

WHAT PART OF "NOT ME", BUT THAT "I AM SHARING THE GOSPEL WITH SOMEONE ELSE" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

If I am sharing the gospel, I am already saved. So your premise makes no sense as I am not looking for my own salvation, I have it already.

So, why do you think that I am saved and sharing the gospel? For myself or Christ?

What keeps an atheist from repeating what's in the bible? If they shasred the gospel, will it save them? You talk legalism

 

[patrick jane]

WHAT PART OF "NOT ME", BUT THAT "I AM SHARING THE GOSPEL WITH SOMEONE ELSE" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

If I am sharing the gospel, I am already saved. So your premise makes no sense as I am not looking for my own salvation, I have it already.

So, why do you think that I am saved and sharing the gospel? For myself or Christ?

It must be for yourself because we can't do anything FOR Christ

 

[ToBeLoved]

I'm gonna leave you guys to your own devices because obviously you do not want to understand what I was really saying.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It must be for yourself because we can't do anything FOR Christ

Is this like where you come into a conversation that was already taken place and grab a paragraph and just start responding out of the blue. The least you could do is try to catch up with the conversation but maybe I expected too much

 

[patrick jane]

Is this like where you come into a conversation that was already taken place and grab a paragraph and just start responding out of the blue. The least you could do is try to catch up with the conversation but maybe I expected too much

Oh, sorry

 

[EmSw]

It must be for yourself because we can't do anything FOR Christ

Hmm, so you can't quit lying or stealing for Christ?

 

[patrick jane]

Hmm, so you can't quit lying or stealing for Christ?

It's not FOR Christ, he needs nothing from us. Works are never good enough, have you heard of saved by grace ?

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV -

 

[patrick jane]

Hmm, so you can't quit lying or stealing for Christ?

Nope, being good is our reasonable service Romans 12:1

 

[EmSw]

Nope, being good is our reasonable service Romans 12:1

If you can't quit lying for Christ, why should I believe you now?

 

[EmSw]

It's not FOR Christ, he needs nothing from us. Works are never good enough, have you heard of saved by grace ?

Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV -

How will you come forth to the resurrection of life without good works?

John 5
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

There are only two resurrections, and two conditions for each one. Oh, grace isn't mentioned for these two resurrections, only works of good and evil.

 

[patrick jane]

How will you come forth to the resurrection of life without good works?

John 5
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

There are only two resurrections, and two conditions for each one. Oh, grace isn't mentioned for these two resurrections, only works of good and evil.

Your good works are useless to God, you want to live under the law, that's how you will be judged. Faith not works, lest any man should boast

 

[EmSw]

Your good works are useless to God, you want to live under the law, that's how you will be judged. Faith not works, lest any man should boast

These are your words. I am not boasting, so we'll let that comment go.

Again, how will you come forth to the resurrection of life without doing good? Do you think those who do evil will enter heaven; perhaps you can show us where God invites evil doers into heaven.

 

[patrick jane]

These are your words. I am not boasting, so we'll let that comment go.

Again, how will you come forth to the resurrection of life without doing good? Do you think those who do evil will enter heaven; perhaps you can show us where God invites evil doers into heaven.

Doing good is a product of salvation, not the other way around, who says I do evil ? Perhaps you can stop putting words in folks mouths.

 

[EmSw]

Doing good is a product of salvation, not the other way around, who says I do evil ?

I didn't say you were evil. I asked how you will come forth to the resurrection of life without doing good.

Without the product of doing good from salvation, will a man be saved?

 

[patrick jane]

I didn't say you were evil. I asked how you will come forth to the resurrection of life without doing good.

Without the product of doing good from salvation, will a man be saved?

of course

Romans 5:6 - Romans 5:8 -

 

[EmSw]

of course

Romans 5:6 - Romans 5:8 -

I'll ask one more time, According to John 5:29, how will you come forth to the resurrection of life without doing good?