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I'm among the elect... You know how I know? I believe the Gospel.I know many Calvinists. Not one of them has said that he knows himself to be among the Elect, and "Calvinism" considers this to be something known to God but not to all of us.
Whut up Albion.I'm among the elect... You know how I know? I believe the Gospel.
Even so, there is no arrogance about it. I praise God! Anyone could be elect.Whut up Albion.
What have you never heard a Calvinist say?
Point made.All right. I hardly ever have heard a Calvinist say such a thing. But on the other hand, this isn't what Calvinism itself teaches, and I have no way of knowing if "ClothedInGrace" is a Calvinist or not or even what denomination he belongs to.
Can we get back to the question I asked you about what do you think the definition of the Grace of God is? I was asking for a reasonHonestly, the last thing Calvinism should do is make one prideful and arrogant. We believe salvation is entirely a work of God's grace, and everyone He chooses to save is an unworthy sinner. Where does merit or pride fit into that view?
I answered it: See post #919. God's grace is His unmerited favor and blessings towards unworthy sinners.Can we get back to the question I asked you about what do you think the definition of the Grace of God is? I was asking for a reason
Ok. What did God do to be able to give us this umerited favor?I answered it: See post #919. God's grace is His unmerited favor and blessings towards unworthy sinners.
He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the sins of His elect--everyone who believes.Ok. What did God do to be able to give us this umerited favor?
Jesus only died for the sins of His elect then?He sent His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the sins of His elect--everyone who believes.
Yes, His sheep: Everyone who believes and is saved. Some are not his sheep.Jesus only died for the sins of His elect then?
How? We are saved by God because of who He is, not because of who we are. If anyone should have pride it is the Arminian, who of their free will choose God while others did not. They have something to boast about, but not the Calvinist, because we say it is all of God.
I don't disagree with you. Although, I believe Christ died to actually secure eternal life for us, not just give us a chance at it. But that's because I believe in election, while you may not.Actually, we are saved because of what He did for us, so that who ever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. What this says to me is, Christ died for us to give us the chance to have everlasting life. If we choose to rely on Him for everlasting life, then He gives it to us. If we reject Him, then we don't have it.
Honestly, the last thing Calvinism should do is make one prideful and arrogant. We believe salvation is entirely a work of God's grace, and everyone He chooses to save is an unworthy sinner. Where does merit or pride fit into that view?
Well, I would rebuke them. Calvinists should be gracious to everyone in the same way God was gracious to them.The arrogance I experienced from Calvanists in person is when I was starting out as a believer and had so many questions about salvation and whether or not I had it. The Calvanists then treated me like I was just some pesky outsider who wasn't elect and therefore not worth their time.
I don't disagree with you. Although, I believe Christ died to actually secure eternal life for us, not just give us a chance at it. But that's because I believe in election, while you may not.
How else would God's full glory be revealed? He will be glorified for His justice against sinners and for His grace in choosing to save some. If He saved everyone then we would not see His justice: If He saved no one then we would not see His grace and mercy. So He has chosen to save some to fully glorify Himself in love for us who will witness it at the fullness of the times.It sounds clear to me from John 3:16. I tried to copy/paste the verse, but get a bunch of gobbledy gook when I try. But you know it already.
So why do you think he elected some people for salvation while leaving others to be doomed?
Yup.The arrogance I experienced from Calvanists in person is when I was starting out as a believer and had so many questions about salvation and whether or not I had it. The Calvanists then treated me like I was just some pesky outsider who wasn't elect and therefore not worth their time.
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