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2 Peter 3:9, see read in context the Peter is writing to the 'beloved' who are the 'elect' who will be saved in the future.
God does not wait patiently for those He knows will never repent. He is only concerned with the saving of His foreknown elect who will obtain salvation.
Too much self powered free will in his responses."some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God.
TB, I cut ad pasted this from an online Bible.
That's a bad response. Don't try agian
Too much self powered free will in his responses.
Try a billion dimensions.
You're a one sided cardboard dimension.
That's half of one you can see.
Ephesians 3 mentions a fourth dimension.
Appreciation of the Mystery
14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Which mystery Paul mentions earlier
Purpose of the Mystery
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. 13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
And I am very much a Calvinist in theology.
So you are saying the elect are lost!.....
Luke 19:10, Jesus comes to seek and to save that which was lost, which would be the 'lost sheep'.
Jesus does not shepherd the lost who are the goats, serpents, scorpions and devils.
Huh. What happened to predestination ?Too much self powered free will in his responses.
Then where does "patience" come into play? If you knew exactly what was about to happen, you don't have to have patience in waiting for it. You only need patience if you don't know whether it will happen or not.
How does one make choices before birth?
You are asking this of an Arminian!How does one make choices before birth?
Total depravity is self explainatory !Before we're born again, we're considered to be "dead", but not totally. The complete term is "dead in our trespasses". But I'm sure you'd agree that people who are totally atheist make choices all the time. Sometimes they even choose to accept Christ as their saviour.
Pride and presumption need not be the source of man's understanding of his own freedom. God can sovereignly deem that man should be free to decide, by his own counsel, his fate, choosing life over death, good over evil, even as he requires the help of grace to achieve this. In His foreknowledge God incorporates these choices into His comprehensive plan. In this manner love is given room, made possible-mutual love which is freely accepted or rejected by man. God desires that all men should come to Him, but He doesn't force that to happen so much as He draws us, patiently, into the right course of action. Some will ultimately refuse His bidding.The tendency is to set aside God's sovereignty in order to make room for the autocracy of the human will. The pride and presumption of man, on the one hand, and his ignorance and depravity on the other, lead him to exclude God and to exalt himself instead. God is the ultimate source of all power that is found in His creation. God has lost none of His power over creation, and it is highly dishonoring to Him to suppose that He struggles against the wills of men to attempt to accomplish His purposes.
This part is bogus. A person needs to take a hard, honest, look at themselves and ask if this scenario is really, conclusively, true of them. I don't believe it can be done. I don't believe he's privy to that knowledge, on that level.Effect and permanent change.
In regards only to those whom God has elected to salvation by His saving grace there is a total and permanent change that occurs in them. At an appointed time predetermined by the His sovereign will, His spirit comes upon a man's heart convincing him of his current state of sin and misery, enlightening his mind in the knowledge of Christ and beginning the work of salvation. This cursed man, being altered and changed by the working of the Holy Spirit, is enabled to answer to call to salvation and embrace the grace freely offered. And if God has chosen these men absolutely and unconditionally to eternal life, and if His Spirit has effectively applied the benefit of redemption, the conclusion is that the persons shall not be lost, ever. The whole course of the salvation of men is divinely planned and divinely guided, not thwarted or altered by the will of men. This is Calvinism in a nutshell, explained to the best of my understanding.
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