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Calvinism, explained.

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...which is what the Elect do. There are plenty of (other) people for whom the Bible never makes sense no matter how often they're exposed to it.


Which is what those who will be saved do.

The elect are those who cooperate with God's grace.

God wants all of us to cooperate with his grace, but some men do not, sadly.

Your dogma is unbiblical and unreasonable.
 
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God does not show partiality. Calvinism is wrong.
Your theorizing is defective and inconsistent. If God didn't show any partiality, everyone would be saved. You aren't actually a Unitarian, are you?
 
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Your theorizing is defective and inconsistent. If God didn't show any partiality, everyone would be saved. You aren't actually a Unitarian, are you?

God's grace reaches out to all men.

Those who cooperate with his grace will be saved.

God judges each man without partiality.

Calvinists claim God shows partiality and only judges some men.
 
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Your dogma is unbiblical and unreasonable.
It's true that I do not come to my beliefs by rationalizing my way to them. Sure, it's appealing to think we are the ones who run the universe by ourselves, but Pride is not a virtue.
 
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Calvinists claim God shows partiality and only judges some men.

Untrue. Maybe you should read Calvin because you clearly, displayed in hundreds of posts, have no idea what you are arguing against.
 
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Acts 10:34
34Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,35but in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him.


God does not show partiality. Calvinism is wrong.


Partiality is not defined as making the choice. The partiality (if there is any) is in WHY the specific choice(s) is made. Since the non-Calvinists insist that God chooses based on foreseen faith, it is the non-Calvinists who teach that God shows partiality.
 
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Untrue. Maybe you should read Calvin because you clearly, displayed in hundreds of posts, have no idea what you are arguing against.


Calvinists claim that their election is unconditional and unrelated to God's judgment of their lives on earth.

Do you deny this?
 
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Partiality is not defined as making the choice. The partiality (if there is any) is in WHY the specific choice(s) is made. Since the non-Calvinists insist that God chooses based on foreseen faith, it is the non-Calvinists who teach that God shows partiality.


God judges us for our actions on earth according to scripture.
 
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Untrue. Maybe you should read Calvin because you clearly, displayed in hundreds of posts, have no idea what you are arguing against.
Yes, we're reading some very strange stuff here. God "only judges some men." o_O
 
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God judges us for our actions on earth according to scripture.

Romans 2
6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
 
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Yes.

Your turn, "thatbrian."


You are denying Calvinist. Good!! That's a good start.


Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will without any consideration of merit within the individual.
 
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God judges us for our actions on earth according to scripture.


that's right, dodge the point that I made that shows you to be bearing false witness...

God judges for our actions on earth according to Scripture, AFTER WE DIE, not before we are born.
 
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Romans 2
6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Yes. This passage doesn't do anything towards settling the election vs freewill/works righteousness argument, however. I assume you didn't notice that, though.
 
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God judges for our actions on earth according to Scripture, AFTER WE DIE, not before we are born.

Exactly.

Unfortunately, that's not the teaching of Calvinism:

Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will without any consideration of merit within the individual. Nor does God look into the future to see who would pick Him. Also, as some are elected into salvation, others are not.
 
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Yes. This passage doesn't do anything towards settling the election vs freewill/works righteousness argument, however. I assume you didn't notice that, though.


Hmmm.....
What point do you think Paul is making here?

Romans 2
6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
 
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You are denying Calvinist. Good!! That's a good start.


Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will without any consideration of merit within the individual.
That, however, wasn't the statement you asked us to affirm or deny. :doh: It was this:
"Calvinists claim that their election is unconditional and unrelated to God's judgment of their lives on earth."
 
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That, however, wasn't the statement you asked us to affirm or deny. :doh: It was this:
"Calvinists claim that their election is unconditional and unrelated to God's judgment of their lives on earth."

It's the exact same thing. Feel free to explain the difference.

Good luck!
 
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