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Ok, so it sounds like certain people are punished by God in Hell because we chose not to believe, rather than the Calvanist notion that it's because those people were simply not chosen by God to be saved, and therefore predestined to be sent to Hell.
It is of course that as you say, people are sent to hell for their unforgiven sins which they commit, since they do not believe God who is Christ, and are in actual rebellion against Christ, even if unawares, they go to hell fire. But you're not considering the whole council of the scriptures when you say that is all there is to these things.
Oh, of course there is more to it. I'm just comparing the basics of it to what the Calvinists are saying, which seems to be that God predestines people to Heaven or Hell and there's not a thing we can do about it and that it isn't up to us to accept the gift of eternal life. They seem to have a fatalistic view of the whole thing.
Your lot has the fatalistic view that God has no say in anything, that men are lord and ruler over their own fate. Did God choose Abraham, or did Abraham choose to be the father of His people? Did God choose Moses, or did Moses decide he would lead His people? Did God choose David, or did David make himself King of His people? Do you believe that God has changed, that He no longer has chosen His own for their unique purpose to do His will? This is why we do not agree, because you want to believe that men decide. You want to believe that men have authority to change their nature, to choose God and to save themselves.Oh, of course there is more to it. I'm just comparing the basics of it to what the Calvinists are saying, which seems to be that God predestines people to Heaven or Hell and there's not a thing we can do about it and that it isn't up to us to accept the gift of eternal life. They seem to have a fatalistic view of the whole thing.
Ok, so it sounds like certain people are punished by God in Hell because we chose not to believe, rather than the Calvanist notion that it's because those people were simply not chosen by God to be saved, and therefore predestined to be sent to Hell.
Your lot has the fatalistic view that God has no say in anything, that men are lord and ruler over their own fate. Did God choose Abraham, or did Abraham choose to be the father of His people? Did God choose Moses, or did Moses decide he would lead His people? Did God choose David, or did David make himself King of His people? Do you believe that God has changed, that He no longer has chosen His own for their unique purpose to do His will? This is why we do not agree, because you want to believe that men decide. You want to believe that men have authority to change their nature, to choose God and to save themselves.
The last time I checked, God does NOT need human permissionOh, of course there is more to it. I'm just comparing the basics of it to what the Calvinists are saying, which seems to be that God predestines people to Heaven or Hell and there's not a thing we can do about it and that it isn't up to us to accept the gift of eternal life. They seem to have a fatalistic view of the whole thing.
Your lot has the fatalistic view that God has no say in anything, that men are lord and ruler over their own fate. Did God choose Abraham, or did Abraham choose to be the father of His people? Did God choose Moses, or did Moses decide he would lead His people? Did God choose David, or did David make himself King of His people? Do you believe that God has changed, that He no longer has chosen His own for their unique purpose to do His will? This is why we do not agree, because you want to believe that men decide. You want to believe that men have authority to change their nature, to choose God and to save themselves.
The last time I checked, God does NOT need human permission
for anything. You are under his rules and his universe. Get over it.
I believe in "Calvinism" because Scripture teaches it!
Then I guess there's no point in witnessing to others or praying for others' salvation. God will bring those people to Himself in His own time and there's nothing we can do to make that happen or to prevent that from happening. If someone isn't saved and is going to hell, it's God's will and we shouldn't try to interfere.
Then I guess there's no point in witnessing to others or praying for others' salvation. God will bring those people to Himself in His own time and there's nothing we can do to make that happen or to prevent that from happening. If someone isn't saved and is going to hell, it's God's will and we shouldn't try to interfere.
God uses means. He uses the preaching of the gospel as the means to gather His own to Himself. God actively involves us in His work, and His own come to him through hearing and believing.
When the children of Israel were fed manna from Heaven, God did not put the manna directly into their stomachs, did He? In the same way, He does not zap people. His Word is proclaimed, and it creates life where the was death.
Aldebaran asked me, "why pray if God is sovereign?" I responded, "why pray if He's not?"
Not the individual for himself, but for others. The salvation of men can be dependent on the actions of those that God moves. In my own testimony, which I have given you, the woman who would later become my wife was the instrument He used. I had questions regarding Him that she didn't, at the time, believe she properly answered. Those responses were pivotal in my rebirth in ways neither of truly understand. God will use His own (and in some cases, the unwilling) to bring more to Him.So salvation includes the actions of men. That's not very 'Calvinistic'.
Not the individual for himself, but for others. The salvation of men can be dependent on the actions of those that God moves. In my own testimony, which I have given you, the woman who would later become my wife was the instrument He used. I had questions regarding Him that she didn't, at the time, believe she properly answered. Those responses were pivotal in my rebirth in ways neither of truly understand. God will use His own (and in some cases, the unwilling) to bring more to Him.
Aldebaran asked me, "why pray if God is sovereign?" I responded, "why pray if He's not?"
So salvation includes the actions of men. That's not very 'Calvinistic'.
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