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Everyone believing by God given faithjn3:15-16,2pet1:3-11And from that you draw the conclusion that there are some people, the ones Christ didn't die for (according to you), who can't be saved?
As I asked you earlier and which you didn't answer, is there anyway of knowing if you're one of the lucky ones, the Elect, who Christ did die for, or one of the unfortunates whi Christ didn't die for? Do they have any distinguishing features for example?
Any person including babies are guilty, and it is only grace and mercy that anyone is saved.Right, and if God is just, He will not punish babies because they are incapable of being aware of any form of right and wrong in order to sin. Yes, their bodies are tainted by the sin of Adam, but Jesus reversed the curse so that they would not face the second death. Babies are not aware of any law; And the Scriptures say that sin is not imputed where there is no law.
Everyone limits the atonement.Not at all. I was just asking you a simple question and hoping for a simple answer which I still haven't got. I was asking if it was your conclusion.
Let me ask it again. You say that Christ did not die for all people. Obviously that's not scriptural but, playing along, my question is Does that mean that the people who Christ didn't die for can't be saved?
I don't understand sure you are so reluctant to give a simple Yes or No answer to this
No one is innocent rom3:23.Thank God the opposite is true! The innocent are saved.
God has a saving love only for those He has elected.God loves all people doesn’t he? Or is that just a myth or something that is totally illogical and thrown in to the empty bin along the way side?
Did He love the world of the ungodly that was destroyed by the flood.Thankfully my experiences of God have also been that He is trustworthy and loving. And look at Jesus in the Bible. He never hated anyone. He loved everyone, even those who hung him on the cross. He "hated" sin because He loved us.
When I look at the some of the descriptions given of God above I feel humble and very thankful that my own experience has been so different.
Taking 2 Pet .3:9 out of context does not prove your false idea.God loves every one He has made.
Each person can either accept or reject Jesus, that does not change whether God loves them or not - God loves them for God is Love.
He is not willing that any should persish.
But He is a just God, and as such if a person rejects Jesus there are consequences to that. But Gods love for a person who rejects Him, His creation does not change, He still loves them, He doesnt love their behaviour of rejecting Him, but the person He loves, always has, always will. God showed His love for us by sending His Son to die for sinners. Such love.
God does what is Holy and just always.The Bible tells us that God is loving and just. Therefore He does not send aborted babies to Hell.
The Bible tells us that God is loving and just. Therefore He does not send aborted babies to Hell.
God has a saving love only for those He has elected.
That love is only found in Christ,rom5,rom8.
To be outside of Christ is to be outside of that saving love.
Any person including babies are guilty, and it is only grace and mercy that anyone is saved.
How do you prove elect babies are not born again in the womb?
The unborn have not sinned.No one is innocent rom3:23.
No...God has elected a multitude to be saved,before the world was.
Jer.1:5,2tim1:9
I realize that my position will not be liked here, but I am okay with that. Don't really care what you all think, to be honest. The older I get, the less I care about what people think of me.
I am pro-choice, that will not change.
Are the unborn people? Were some of their names written in the book of life before the creation of the world? People who trust in works for salvation have trouble with this because it proves salvation does not need anything from the saved.I can't, but the Bible speaks of no such thing (except if use the one possible exception, John the baptist). Is it not more of something for you to prove they are?
I agree with the first statement, but I am not sure how the second necessarily follows unless one denies original sin.
All elect infants,dying in infancy are saved by God.
Are the unborn people? Were some of their names written in the book of life before the creation of the world? People who trust in works for salvation have trouble with this because it proves salvation does not need anything from the saved.
So Christ really didn't do that much to save them. They had it in them all the time to save themselves? Sinners are pretty glorious after all. And God doesn't measure up to the hype?I agree with Original Sin, but I don't think our definitions are the same. I believe the Promise of the Savior, and His coming reversed the curse of Original Sin in regards to the Savior being able to save mankind. For Jesus is the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world. The damage of Original Sin is that the physical bodies of mankind is tainted by sin. Man has an inclination to do that which is evil by his flesh. So man is tainted by sin, but with the Son of God, they can crucify the affections and lusts (i.e. they can put away mortal sin out of their lives by the power of Jesus).
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