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Capone and Dillinger had aproval too.
Just so it isn't you they are taking the ax to?As I said, I allow for choice. They can choose to have an abortion or not. It is up to them to decide. I will not make that choice for them.
As I said, I allow for choice. They can choose to have an abortion or not. It is up to them to decide. I will not make that choice for them.
As I was thinking on total depravity and the west-borrow baptist church(calvinist extremists), I had this thought about calvinism taken to its logical end. What are your thoughts on this?
A calvinist would say that God hates sin and the sinner(hence Limited Atonement):
“The LORD tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.”
Psalms 11:5 NKJV
And we glorify God in His holiness and judgement of sin. So lets take this to its logical extreme:
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
Psalms 51:5 NKJV
So how does a calvinist take issue with abortion? If an infant has sinful nature at conception, and dies in the womb, shouldnt the calvinist glorify God for punishing the sinner? Shouldnt calvinists glorify abortion because God is judging sinners?
Your question is ridiculous and serves no other purpose but to insinuate that Calvinists are so evil that they ought to love abortion.As I was thinking on total depravity and the west-borrow baptist church(calvinist extremists), I had this thought about calvinism taken to its logical end. What are your thoughts on this?
A calvinist would say that God hates sin and the sinner(hence Limited Atonement):
“The LORD tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.”
Psalms 11:5 NKJV
And we glorify God in His holiness and judgement of sin. So lets take this to its logical extreme:
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
Psalms 51:5 NKJV
So how does a calvinist take issue with abortion? If an infant has sinful nature at conception, and dies in the womb, shouldnt the calvinist glorify God for punishing the sinner? Shouldnt calvinists glorify abortion because God is judging sinners?
Should we just legalize all murder then and leave it up to each person to decide if they want to kill someone or not?As I said, I allow for choice. They can choose to have an abortion or not. It is up to them to decide. I will not make that choice for them.
Are you saying that abortion only ever happens because God actively wills it as a condemnation of infantile sinfulness?
I'm not a Calvinist, but I'm curious to hear responses to my question from both the OP and any Calvinist who'd care to weigh in.
I'm not a calvinist, but I wouldn't use Westboro as an example of anything Christian, since they appear to be trolling.As I was thinking on total depravity and the west-borrow baptist church(calvinist extremists), I had this thought about calvinism taken to its logical end. What are your thoughts on this?
A calvinist would say that God hates sin and the sinner(hence Limited Atonement):
“The LORD tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.”
Psalms 11:5 NKJV
And we glorify God in His holiness and judgement of sin. So lets take this to its logical extreme:
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
Psalms 51:5 NKJV
So how does a calvinist take issue with abortion? If an infant has sinful nature at conception, and dies in the womb, shouldnt the calvinist glorify God for punishing the sinner? Shouldnt calvinists glorify abortion because God is judging sinners?
As I was thinking on total depravity and the west-borrow baptist church(calvinist extremists), I had this thought about calvinism taken to its logical end. What are your thoughts on this?
A calvinist would say that God hates sin and the sinner(hence Limited Atonement):
“The LORD tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.”
Psalms 11:5 NKJV
And we glorify God in His holiness and judgement of sin. So lets take this to its logical extreme:
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
Psalms 51:5 NKJV
So how does a calvinist take issue with abortion? If an infant has sinful nature at conception, and dies in the womb, shouldnt the calvinist glorify God for punishing the sinner? Shouldnt calvinists glorify abortion because God is judging sinners?
"Limited Atonement" is derived from Scripture and reason, from the fact that Christ on the cross did indeed pay for sins --(as opposed to making payment available). Since not all will end up in Heaven, then, it stands to reason that he only payed for some, or he paid in vain for most, since they will end up paying themselves also.A calvinist would say that God hates sin and the sinner(hence Limited Atonement):
So how does a calvinist take issue with abortion? If an infant has sinful nature at conception, and dies in the womb, shouldnt the calvinist glorify God for punishing the sinner? Shouldnt calvinists glorify abortion because God is judging sinners?
As I said, I allow for choice. They can choose to have an abortion or not. It is up to them to decide. I will not make that choice for them.
As I was thinking on total depravity and the west-borrow baptist church(calvinist extremists), I had this thought about calvinism taken to its logical end. What are your thoughts on this?
A calvinist would say that God hates sin and the sinner(hence Limited Atonement):
“The LORD tests the righteous, But the wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.”
Psalms 11:5 NKJV
And we glorify God in His holiness and judgement of sin. So lets take this to its logical extreme:
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.”
Psalms 51:5 NKJV
So how does a calvinist take issue with abortion? If an infant has sinful nature at conception, and dies in the womb, shouldnt the calvinist glorify God for punishing the sinner? Shouldnt calvinists glorify abortion because God is judging sinners?
Just so it isn't you they are taking the ax to?
Christ on the cross did indeed pay for sins --(as opposed to making payment available). Since not all will end up in Heaven, then, it stands to reason that he only payed for some, or he paid in vain for most, since they will end up paying themselves also.
they are simply not the ones he has chosen to redeem
Why? This isn't even a serious thread...
pretty much every Baptist church and primitive baptist church in the country, let alone the world, has soundly denounced Westboro, but suddenly your associating all calvinists with literally only 1 family in the entire world.
Now your accusing we should glorify sin and evil and praise it's occurrence... give me a break.
You want a serious discussion make a serious thread.
As a matter of (very mild) interest, does anyone know if they're one of the chosen?
I thought you were part of other conversations where this was dealt with at length. But I did not say he died in vain for anyone. It is those who deny particular redemption who are in the final analysis claiming such a thing, since his payment was indeed actual. If you are still confused, look up "Sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ", or, "Efficiency" concerning the payment.Which is it? Did he die for "some" or "in vain for most"? These are two different things.
Odd thing though. My Bible says He died for all - is that a typo?
As a matter of (very mild) interest, does anyone know if they're one of the chosen?
The Spirit bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.
And if anyone comes to Christ, he will not cast them out. That should be a pretty good indicator, though subjectively assessed as well --that is, some may even fool themselves that they actually came to Christ. And there are plenty others, though yes, all subjective in the final analysis, if we are the ones to judge the matter. God, however, is not subjective --that is, to him subjective and objective have to do with his direction of vision, not his kind of judgement.
thought you were part of other conversations where this was dealt with at length.
If you are still confused, look up "Sufficiency of the sacrifice of Christ", or, "Efficiency" concerning the payment.
"All" must be understood contextually.
Hello Zach, you are talking about the Westboro BAPTIST church, yes? You're Baptist and they are Baptist. Is the Baptist faith practiced at the Westboro Baptist church the logical end for any/all who hold to the Baptist faithAs I was thinking on total depravity and the west-borrow baptist church(calvinist extremists), I had this thought about calvinism taken to its logical end. What are your thoughts on this?
"Hence Limited Atonement"A calvinist would say that God hates sin and the sinner(hence Limited Atonement).
Where does the Bible tell us to glorify God by "punishing sinners"So how does a calvinist take issue with abortion? If an infant has sinful nature at conception, and dies in the womb, shouldnt the calvinist glorify God for punishing the sinner? Shouldnt calvinists glorify abortion because God is judging sinners?
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