4/11/03 at 08:11 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #4
Creation doesnt imply any rules or obligations to the Creator.
No bible, No rules.
I'd say thats why so many want to look to the creation instead of the Bible.
KJV Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth theLORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Where does it say you have to believe dogma? Of course if the bible is truly the mandated word of your god, then you have to believe that it doesn't matter what you believe. It matters what you do, and how you do it.
4/11/03at 09:37 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #11
Actually I was refering neither to natural laws nor moral laws, but the Laws of the Eternal God Himself
4/11/03 at 01:44 PM Nathan Poe responded in Post #17 And what laws would those be?
The laws that God imposes on us?
Or the laws you impose on God?
KJV:
what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Follower followed up at 4/11/03 07:23 PM in Post #19
I suggest that you start with Deuteronomy and Leviticus.
When you're finished, you tell ME whose laws I am refering to.
you are very quickly losing the respect I was beginning to have for you with this word play
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Now , Follower, you know how quickly you lose respect for anyone who doesn't agree with you. Usually, the feeling is mutual.
Yesterday at 10:52 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #13
The last I checked the Illiad and the Odyssey is not required reading in Africa, China and India.
The last I checked your holy book isn't required reading anywhere. Though some of your ilk want to require it in public schools.
Yesterday at 12:28 PM Follower of Christ said this in Post #14
What a lot of people miss is that Jesus' ministry was really aimed toward the Jew while He was here.]
That's because he was Jewish, right?
Threre really wouldnt have been much need for Him to have spoken much of anything beyond Hebrew.
Unless he wanted to be understood. Hebrew was the liturgical language. The common folk spoke Aramaic. Educated people spoke Koine, a form of Greek. The politically ambitious spoke Latin.
On the day of Pentecost there were many people of many languages who heard the gospel that day in their own language and were amazed.
At least one of those three languages would probably have been spoken by 95% or more by the average crowd.
In reading the book of Acts, one can see the determination of the apostles in getting the word out.
Preaching beats working for a living all hollow.
Yesterday at 01:30 PM paulewog said this in Post #16
Those classics were written by one person at one time. They were not written over 1600 years by different authors.
I thought the different "authors" were just taking dictation. I have heard this described as the "Charlie McCarthy - Edgar Bergen" school of theology.
Yesterday at 08:48 PM paulewog said this in Post #27
It's a lot harder to keep track of all the different writings then just one big work.
That and the fact that it was written over that long of ap eriod of time by around 40 authors who didn't even know each other... and yet it doesn't contradict itself.
KJV 1 Chronicles 21:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
KJV 2 Samuel 24:1
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
Look it up: Same census. Is "Satan" a pseudonym?
Today at 04:37 AM Nathan Poe said this in Post #31 (to Follower)
Who knows? Perhaps the Spirit sent me to help you... [/B]
Probably, but Follower does not recognize that he needs help. He does though. I have run into him on other threads.
FOC:
Anyone who tells me that they know who God is and has not spent much time in prayer is not being honest with themselves. I have spent as much as three straight days praying to God for answers. He has almost always answered me through His written word. (Almost)
I use my reason and my free will, trying to being merciful to those who are merciful.
FOC:
''But even if we, or an angel out of Heaven, should preach a gospel to you beside the gospel we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, and now I say again, If anyone preaches a gospel beside what you received, let him be accursed. ''
(Galatians 1:8-9 LITV)
I guess we'll meet in Hell, Nathan. Paul is superior even to God in authority. And Follower is the only licensed interpreter.
Follower:
That is one great thing about the scripture, it defines those who are of God and those who arent.
With a little help from Follower.
JohnR7 chimed in with:
Yesterday at 11:37 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #49
- I think some guys named Plato, Aristotle, Homer (not Simpson), Lao-Tse, Sun Tzu, and Confucius, among others, beat me to it.
Oh yeah, that is some real controversial stuff you got there.
Plato has Socrates claim that Homer should be burned because he portrayed the gods in a bad light. I believe that Confucius was banned in China. It's controversy that helps keep a book going. Your holy book, JohnR7, has been fought over since it was written; thousands of sects of true believers can't agree with one another what it means. As a collection of diverse works, written with diverse intents, it is remarkable. But consistent it is
not!
JohnR7:
You could perhaps find enough stuff on Plato or Aristotle to put together a course or two on them.
ROFLSHISM (Rolling on the floor laughing so hard I soiled myself.)
JohnR7:
So you want to compare someone that you can learn about all there is to learn in three months time. Compared to Moses who you could study for 8 years and you would just be getting started to learn all that he has to teach us.
Like when two men are fighting and the wife of one of them grabs the other by the private parts you have to cut her hand off? Now there's a situation that keeps coming up! It's a law of God! It
is kind of hard to fathom. I can believe it would take JohnR7 at least six months.
As Jesus pointed out you to legalists (rendered as "lawyers" in KJV Luke 11:52 )
Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
One more time, because it will take at least eight years for Follower and JohnR7 to get it: (KJV Micah 6:8)
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?