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[keras]

keras, in your scenario, if you have the current population of Israel decimated in a solar event, and in the aftermath replaced with Christians coming from around the world to create a new nation called Beulah. And Christians rebuilding the temple, that later gets occupied by the Antichrist turned beast, and the abomination of desolation setup.

And you have Christians at that time raptured to other parts of the world, so-called places of safety, to escape the great tribulation.

Correct. all as the Bible Prophets tell us.

Then who is Jesus rescuing in Zechariah 14, who will escape harm by fleeing through the valley when Jesus splits the Mt. of Olives in half ?

The Christians who had to remain in Jerusalem during the 42 month period of world Satanic control, those motioned in Revelation 12:17
Most will be martyred, but there must be some survivors.

 

[Douggg]

The Christians who had to remain in Jerusalem during the 42 month period of world Satanic control, those motioned in Revelation 12:17

Why weren't they raptured or taken to a safe place like you have all the other Christians in Beulah ?

 

[keras]

Why weren't they raptured or taken to a safe place like you have all the other Christians in Beulah ?

The holy people of God, who are now every faithful Christian, will be living in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land, Isaiah 62:1-12, but they do get taken over by the leader of the One World Govt; the Anti-Christ, as described in Zechariah 14:1-2, Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:5-8

This will happen at the exact midpoint of the last 7 years before Jesus Returns and it is because they failed to trust solely on the Lord for their protection.
Daniel 9:27 and Isaiah 28:14-15 tell of a treaty, a peace treaty for a seven year period, made between ‘many’ of the citizens of Beulah and the leader of the OWG, that God calls; a treaty with death. This fixed term treaty is not a covenant, as some Bibles wrongly translate it to be.

We see in Daniel 11:32, how the Christians are divided into 2 groups, those who agreed to this seven year peace treaty with the man, now called the Anti-Christ: 'beast', and those who refused to violate their covenant with God. This conquest and division of the Lord’s people, at the mid point of the seven years, is seen in Zechariah 14:1-2 and Revelation 13:5-7

Then in Revelation 12:6-17, those two groups of Christians are described; the faithful ones, who refused to agree with the 7 year peace treaty, will be taken to a place of safety on earth during the 3 1/2 years, [or 42 months or 1260 days] and the other group remain, as per Revelation 12:17.
They will face persecution and many will be killed, but provided they kept strong in their faith, they will be resurrected when Jesus Returns; Revelation 20:4

Then Jesus Returns; kills the Anti-Christ's army and chains him up. Jesus sends out His angels to gather His people from their place of safety and all who have refused the mark of the beast, Matthew 24:31, to where He is; that is in Jerusalem, from where He will rule the world for the next1000 years.

 

[Douggg]

We see in Daniel 11:32, how the Christians are divided into 2 groups, those who agreed to this seven year peace treaty with the man, now called the Anti-Christ: 'beast', and those who refused to violate their covenant with God. This conquest and division of the Lord’s people, at the mid point of the seven years, is seen in Zechariah 14:1-2 and Revelation 13:5-7

So you have faithful Christians becoming unfaithful Christians. Based on a verse in Daniel 11:32 which is actually historic, and them doing the exploits, the Maccabees. And not end times.

Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

Then in Revelation 12:6-17, those two groups of Christians are described; the faithful ones, who refused to agree with the 7 year peace treaty, will be taken to a place of safety on earth during the 3 1/2 years, [or 42 months or 1260 days] and the other group remain, as per Revelation 12:17.

So you are saying the faithful Christians who refuse the 7 years peace treaty are taken to a place of safety. While the unfaithful Christians are them in Revelation 12:17.

So let's look at Revelation 12:17 to see if it describes unfaithful Christians...

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

...so they are keeping the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. keras, that is not unfaithful Christians.

Your entire scenario, and explanation is a bust.

Then Jesus Returns; kills the Anti-Christ's army and chains him up. Jesus sends out His angels to gather His people from their place of safety and all who have refused the mark of the beast, Matthew 24:31, to where He is; that is in Jerusalem, from where He will rule the world for the next1000 years.

But what about them who escape harm by fleeing through the valley created when Jesus splits the Mt. of Olives apart - who are they ? Are you saying that they are unfaithful Christians ? So, you are having Jesus returning to save unfaithful Christians and them who violate their covenant with God.

That makes no sense, keras.

And it is not the Antichrist who is chained up. The Antichrist, at that time the beast-king, is cast into the lake of fire. It is Satan who is chained up.

keras, you scenario gets more unrealistic with every post you make.

 

[keras]

That makes no sense, keras.

To you, of course not, as you have chosen to believe in false theories and fables. God places a spirit of stupor on all who confuse themselves with unbiblical beliefs. Isaiah 29:9-12
Revelation 12 plainly tells us that the Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language, will be divided into two groups. Zechariah 14:2b confirms this.
The fact that 'many' Christians will be deceived by the Anti-Christ, is quite believable, as what happened with the ancient Israelites, who saw and did amazing things; they quickly fell into idolatry.

Are you saying that they are unfaithful Christians ? So, you are having Jesus returning to save unfaithful Christians and them who violate their covenant with God.

Exactly what Daniel 11:32-35 tell us. Those Christians agree to the 7 year peace treaty. They do not renounce God or Jesus, but do what they think is right at the time. They simply fail to trust the Lord for their protection.
They will realize their mistake too late, when the leader of the One World Govt; conquers Beulah, Zechariah 14:1, and they must remain in the holy Land, as all those who refused that treaty, will be taken to safety.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Total pretentious rubbish. Taken and left, in Matthew 24:40, means killed or left alive. NOT removed and left on earth!
Proved by how the people left outside Noak's Ark, were drowned.

Yes... this is the correct understanding. With regard to the phrase "will be taken," the disciples asked, "Where, Lord?" He responded, "wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles (griffon vulture) be gathered together." Griffon vultures were common among the massive deaths on the battlefield. So unless you are being raptured into a battlefield and the dead bodies, this passage has nothing to do with a rapture or even a resurrection.

 

[anetazo]

Keras. I had the same problem with this dude on previous threads. I just ignore him. He has spirt of stupor. Romans chapter 11.

Some people are also close minded. Your doing good job serving Jesus.
Keep plowing my friend.

Gods Elect, Zadok.