Called out by name

[keras]

Amos 9:8-12 In My anger against the nations, I shall not totally destroy the descendants of Jacob. [All 12 tribes of Israel] My command was that Israel be scattered among the peoples of the world, but I will keep My eye upon them. Proverbs 5:21, 1 Peter 3:12

I know who they all are. Those who rebel and disobey Me will die. Ezekiel 20:38 On the Day of the redemption of My people, I will restore the House of David, the leaders of Israel, Hosea 1:11, so that they may possess all of that area named as Mine. This: I your God, will accomplish. Obadiah 1:19-21, Ezekiel chapter36

Isaiah 40:26-31 Lift up your eyes on high, consider the Creator of all things. He brings out His host, [people] one by one, each summoned by name, through His great power and strength, none is missing. You Israelites, do not say: Our God has forgotten us. Do you not know, have you not heard, the Lord, the Creator, does not weary and His understanding cannot be fathomed. He gives strength to the exhausted, as even the fittest grow faint, but those who trust Him will get new strength, they will soar as on eagles wings, march and not become tired. Isaiah 27:12

Isaiah 40:26 is usually translated so as to mean real stars, however the chapter commences with; ‘Comfort My people,’ and finishes with the beautiful promise of how the Lord will help His people go to their Land. Therefore in context, it must be more correct to apply ‘ His host’, to the Lord’s holy people and more logical than to think that He summons the stars, one by one, each called by name? Actual;...stars set in place, Psalms 8:3



His people: Christian Israelites, from every tribe, race, nation and language, are called out of the nations, soon after this forthcoming Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath and are motivated to possess all of the holy Land and migrate to their new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62L1-5, Psalms 107

John sees all the faithful Christian peoples there in Revelation 7:9.

As the other prophets and Jesus say: God knows who His people are and He will call them by name for their gathering into the holy Land. Revelation 5:9-10



Baruch 4:30 Take heart, My children, He who calls you by name, will comfort you.

Isaiah 27:12-13 On that Day, the Lord will sound a great trumpet and those of His people, who are dispersed around the world will be gathered one by one and will come to worship the Lord in His holy Land. Isaiah 49:6

Jeremiah 3:14 Come back, apostate people, for I am patient with you, I shall take you; one from each town and two from each clan and bring you to Zion. Isaiah 11:11-12

Matthew 24:37-44 As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be when the Son of man comes. The people then carried on unsuspectingly until the flood came and killed them all. This is how it will be when I come next, at a time when you least expect. Then there will be two people working; one will be taken, the other left. Therefore, be ready and keep watch for the Day your Lord comes. 1 Thessalonians 5:4-6

‘comes’, here means; to take action, Isaiah 28:21, Psalms 68:1-3, Isaiah 59:16-17, Psalms 9:19-20


It has always been thought that this passage in Matthew refers to the Return of Jesus in His glory, but a study of Revelation shows that this event cannot be at the Return, as that glorious Day will not be unexpected, because it is exactly 1260 days after the Anti Christ desecrates the Temple. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

The Lord was not seen in Noah’s time, or the Exodus and He will not be seen during the Sixth Seal terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.

This next prophesied event, which will come ‘ like a thief’, is the punishment of the nations, Habakkuk 2:3, instigated by Jesus and graphically described in over 100 prophesies, as a CME explosion of the suns surface, that will clear and cleanse all the holy Land in preparation for ‘ the homecoming of His people’. Ezekiel 36:8, Isaiah 65:9, Isaiah 49:22, Ezekiel 37:21, Jeremiah 16:14-16, Zechariah 10:8-12

Psalms 2:1-12 Why are the nations in a turmoil? People hatch futile plots and leaders conspire together against the Lord. They say; Let us break free from His rule. But He who watches from His throne, laughs and derides them, then He rebukes them, in His wrath. Y’hovah says; I have established My King in My holy place, I have decreed; You are My Son, I am Your Father. Ask of Me what you will, I shall give You the nations as Your domain, the earth as Your possession. You will break them with a rod of iron, so be warned, you peoples, pay Him homage, for His anger flares up in a moment. Happy are those who find refuge in Him! John 3:35

 

[Douggg]

Matthew 24:37-44 As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be when the Son of man comes. The people then carried on unsuspectingly until the flood came and killed them all. This is how it will be when I come next, at a time when you least expect. Then there will be two people working; one will be taken, the other left. Therefore, be ready and keep watch for the Day your Lord comes. 1 Thessalonians 5:4-6

The anytime rapture view.

 

[Douggg]

The Lord was not seen in Noah’s time, or the Exodus and He will not be seen during the Sixth Seal terrible Day of the Lord’s fiery wrath.

Jesus will be seen in the Sixth Seal event.

Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[keras]

The anytime rapture view.

Total pretentious rubbish. Taken and left, in Matthew 24:40, means killed or left alive. NOT removed and left on earth!
Proved by how the people left outside Noak's Ark, were drowned.

Do you not realize that to read such a thing into scriptures, and teach it, is a very serious matter?

Jesus will be seen in the Sixth Seal event.

These Prophesies refute you: Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 3:4, Jeremiah 25:30-33 The Lord roars from on high.......those who the Lord has slain on that Day, will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other.

Rev 6:16 is a typical blasphemous response from the ungodly peoples. They curse God for the slightest reason.
If they really do see Him, they would change their minds, but we know Jesus is not seen by all until the glorious Return. Rev 1:7, 19:11 Then people will lament in remorse.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 6:16 is a typical blasphemous response from the ungodly peoples. They curse God for the slightest reason.

They are not cursing God in that verse. The reacting in fear of seeing Jesus in heaven before the Throne of God.

 

[keras]

They are not cursing God in that verse. The reacting in fear of seeing Jesus in heaven before the Throne of God.

The scriptures I presented prove that Jesus is not seen at the Sixth Seal.
If you are unable, incapable, or just plain stubborn and continue to deny this truth, then so be it. It is just another of the false beliefs held by many people in these last days.
Only as things happen, will understanding be given. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 29:18 & 24

 

[Douggg]

The scriptures I presented prove that Jesus is not seen at the Sixth Seal.
If you are unable, incapable, or just plain stubborn and continue to deny this truth, then so be it. It is just another of the false beliefs held by many people in these last days.
Only as things happen, will understanding be given. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 29:18 & 24

In the sixth seal event, near the end of the 7 years and the great tribulation, the world will Jesus before the throne of God as it is indicated in ....

Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

That is the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, of Matthew 24:29.

Terror of knowing what is about to happen to them... in Revelation 16:13-15, the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon in hopes of preventing Jesus's judgment on them. That assembly and the taking of Jerusalem as hostage in Zechariah 14 takes place over 45 days.

On the 45th day, Jesus descends down to earth splitting the Mt. of Olives in half, making a way for the hostages to escape unharmed. Then Jesus melts away the facade of the statue image of the beast - exposing Satan for all the world to see him - and revealing that he is the one who they have unknowingly been worshiping - ever since the image came to life and began to breath and speak.

The beast king and the false prophet are then cast into the lake of fire. And the armies gathered to fight against Jesus all die, their flesh desolving on their bones.

An angel then descends down to the temple mount, and lays hold of Satan, putting a chain around him, and Satan is then cast into the bottomless pit.

 

[Douggg]

Total pretentious rubbish. Taken and left, in Matthew 24:40, means killed or left alive. NOT removed and left on earth!
Proved by how the people left outside Noak's Ark, were drowned.

Do you not realize that to read such a thing into scriptures, and teach it, is a very serious matter?

keras, Matthew 24:37-44 is talking about the rapture. Them left behind will end up going through the great tribulation.

It is not about Christians physically building an ark, getting in it and getting spared that way, while the world goes through the great tribulation. Noah did not escape the world or the flood. That is not the message. The message is that Noah believed God and the rest of the world did not, not believing what is going to happen. So Noah got spared by believing God and following God's instructions.

The instructions for Christians is to watch and be ready, in Matthew 24

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

The same message is in Luke 21:34-36...

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[keras]

In the sixth seal event, near the end of the 7 years and the great tribulation,

This placement of the Sixth Seal is gross error and an unwarranted shuffle of Revelation and cannot be right, as to open a scroll the seals must be removed first.
Plainly; the Sixth seal will be the next Prophesied event we can expect. It will set the scene for all the Prophesied things, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus. And the Seventh Seal is a time gap; nothing more, nothing less.

You cannot mix the Sixth seal with Armageddon. Any simple reading of Revelation shows they are quite different events, years apart.

Matthew 24:37-44 is talking about the rapture. Them left behind will end up going through the great tribulation.

There is no 'rapture to heaven'. Only when Jesus Returns, will those who remain; be transported to Jerusalem. Mathew 23:31, 1 Thess 4:17
Some Christians will have to endure the GT, but those who have proved their faithfulness, will be kept safe in a secure place on earth. Revelation 12:17 & 14

It is not about Christians physically building an ark, getting in it and getting spared that way, while the world goes through the great tribulation. Noah did not escape the world or the flood. That is not the message. The message is that Noah believed God and the rest of the world did not, not believing what is going to happen. So Noah got spared by believing God and following God's instructions.

The end times parallel to Noah's Flood, will be the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster by fire from the sun. We are told to: Call upon the Name of the Lord and we will be saved, That is: protected through it. Isaiah 43:2, 1 Corinthians 10:13, +
The GT of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, is directed against those who have taken the mark of the beast. Revelation 14:9-10

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I laugh at how you present two verses from the KJV, which contradict each other!
Don't you see how 'escape' there, cannot mean a rapture removal?

 

[keras]

The beast king and the false prophet are then cast into the lake of fire. And the armies gathered to fight against Jesus all die, their flesh desolving on their bones.

This shows how confused you are; the armies killed by Jesus at His Return: are corpses to be devoured by carrion animals. Revelation 19:21

 

[Douggg]

This shows how confused you are; the armies killed by Jesus at His Return: are corpses to be devoured by carrion animals. Revelation 19:21

keras, carrion is rotting flesh. It will be a horrific scene. In Revelation 14:20 , the blood will be as deep as a horse bridle and run the space of 1600 furlongs (200 miles).

 

[Douggg]

I laugh at how you present two verses from the KJV, which contradict each other!
Don't you see how 'escape' there, cannot mean a rapture removal?

The two verses don't contradict each other. The great tribulation, like a snare, will catch everyone who dwells on the earth. To escape, watch and pray. It's not hard to see where the world is heading. And we also have the parable of the fig tree generation, to know that it is close at hand. Soon, the troubles of this world for Christians who are following Jesus's instructions will be over. 1Corinthians15:51-58.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[keras]

keras, carrion is rotting flesh. It will be a horrific scene. In Revelation 14:20 , the blood will be as deep as a horse bridle and run the space of 1600 furlongs (200 miles).

Yes, but my point was in Revelation 6:12-17, & 14:20, what happens then is many deaths caused by fire, totally burned up, as Isaiah 66:15-17 describes. Jesus does not use fire at His Return and the birds and animal's can eat the corpses. As Revelation 19:17-18 says.

The two verses don't contradict each other.

They do, if your belief is in a rapture to heaven, an escape from the Lords fiery wrath before it happens.

Rather than making yourself look silly by continuing to promote false and unbiblical ideas, and because time is so short now, admit your mistakes and correct your charts and when things do start to happen it will be easier for you. The Lord will reward those who have the moral fortitude to overcome wrong beliefs.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, but my point was in Revelation 6:12-17, & 14:20, what happens then is many deaths caused by fire, totally burned up, as Isaiah 66:15-17 describes. Jesus does not use fire at His Return and the birds and animal's can eat the corpses. As Revelation 19:17-18 says.

Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 14:20 does not say anything about fire. The events of those passages are at the end of the seven years. The sixth seal is 45 days before Jesus's retrun. And Revelation 14:20 is on the day of Jesus's return.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
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Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

 

[keras]

Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 14:20 does not say anything about fire. The events of those passages are at the end of the seven years. The sixth seal is 45 days before Jesus's retrun. And Revelation 14:20 is on the day of Jesus's return.

What Rev 6 & 14 do describe is the results of some kind of dramatic event. Which we know is caused by a huge explosion of the suns surface.
Isaiah 30:26a, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-4
This sudden and shocking hit upon the earth will cause our atmosphere to be pushed aside, [only at the area of impact] earthquakes, [tectonic plate movement] storms, tsunamis and extreme heat, by the angel who has authority over fire: Revelation 14:18
Isaiah 34:1-5 is a vivid description of that terrible Day...... My sword will appear in the heavens and will descend upon My enemies....with the flaming fire of My anger..... Isaiah 66:15

Your 45 days is wrong, Jesus does not destroy His enemies before He Returns. That happens at the Seventh Bowl. Revelation 16:16-17
Can you not see that it is impossible for a scroll to be read until its seals are removed and what they represent takes place?

 

[Douggg]

What Rev 6 & 14 do describe is the results of some kind of dramatic event. Which we know is caused by a huge explosion of the suns surface.

It does not say anything about fire in the Sixth seal, nor in Revelation 14:20. Nor any explosion of the sun's surface.

keras, your solar event scenario, you have as being before the 7 years and the great tribulation even begin. Revelation 14:20 is at the end of the 7years, at the end of the great tribulation when the blood will run as deep as a horse's bridle for 200 miles, in the area surrounding Jerusalem. What do have to say about the timing of that ?

Isaiah 30:26a, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-4
This sudden and shocking hit upon the earth will cause our atmosphere to be pushed aside, [only at the area of impact] earthquakes, [tectonic plate movement] storms, tsunamis and extreme heat, by the angel who has authority over fire: Revelation 14:18
Isaiah 34:1-5 is a vivid description of that terrible Day...... My sword will appear in the heavens and will descend upon My enemies....with the flaming fire of My anger..... Isaiah 66:15

keras, there is nothing about the earth's atmosphere being pushed aside. If it were, there would be no air for anyone to breath and all will die for the lack of air.

There is one specific bowl of God's wrath that deals with the sun scorching men. It is in Revelation 16:8-9, when the fourth angel pours out his vial of God's wrath. Which is during the great tribulation.

With your solar event scenario, you are trying to put everything into a pre-7 year scenario, to wipe out the current population of Israel (which is mostly Jews, but not all), to be replaced by Christians moving there en-masse and creating a new nation called Beulah - even before the 7 years and the great tribulation begin.

Revelation 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Your 45 days is wrong, Jesus does not destroy His enemies before He Returns. That happens at the Seventh Bowl. Revelation 16:16-17

The 45 days is the period of time that the kings of the earth assemble their armies at Armageddon leading up to Jesus's Return. Those armies will be destroyed on the day of Jesus's return, in Revelation 19.

The seventh bowl of God's wrath will take place near the end of the 45 days. The greatest earthquake of all times will split the earth's crust into thirds, causing cities to fall, and mountains to fall, and islands to disappear.

The 7th vial poured out is in the lower right hand corner of my chart extract, near the end of the 45 days. Armies destroyed in the very bottom right hand corner. Matthew 24:30a and Matthew 24:30b are also annotated on the chart extract.

 

[keras]

keras, your solar event scenario, you have as being before the 7 years and the great tribulation even begin.

I do, because that is when the Lord's Day of vengeance and fiery wrath will happen. It will be the first of the Prophesied end time events.
Nothing in Revelation 14:20 says when the huge flow of blood will happen. But it surely cannot be when Jesus Returns. The only place that Prophecy fits, is at the Sixth Seal.

keras, there is nothing about the earth's atmosphere being pushed aside. If it were, there would be no air for anyone to breath and all will die for the lack of air.

Your replies consistently display a lack of properly reading what I wrote and of known scientific facts. Why should I have to teach science ABC to you?
Firstly, I said that only the side of the earth facing the sun will have its atmosphere hit. I do not see it as there being no air to breath and as it says in Rev 6:15b, people will hide in caves or bunkers, so the CME pressure wave may simply compress the air in those places.

With your solar event scenario, you are trying to put everything into a pre-7 year scenario, to wipe out the current population of Israel (which is mostly Jews, but not all), to be replaced by Christians moving there en-masse and creating a new nation called Beulah - even before the 7 years and the great tribulation begin.

Exactly. Just as the Bible says will happen.
Great will be that time and all who maintain their trust in the Lord thru the forthcoming worldwide disaster, will go to live there. Amos 9:13-15

The Fourth Bowl will be another, smaller CME.

Puleeeese; no more 'charts' on my threads!

 

[keras]

Back to the thread subject:

Amos 8:11-14 The Lord says: The time is coming when there will be a famine on the Land, not of hunger, but for hearing the Word of God. People will search for the truth, but will not find it. All who swear by false gods will fall, to rise no more.

Amos 9:1-15 I saw the Lord standing by the altar – He said: break down the buildings onto the heads of the people and any who are left, I shall put to the sword. Wherever they hide, I will find them and destroy them.

At the Touch of the Lord, the earth shakes, all who live there mourn. He is the One who created the heavens and the earth.

Are not you Israelites like the Cushites to Me? I brought you up from Egypt. My eyes are on this sinful nation and I will judge them.

Yet, I will not completely destroy Jacob’s posterity. I shall give the command to sieve Israel among the nations, without one pebble falling to the ground. All the sinners among My people will die.

On that Day, I shall restore David’s fallen house and rebuild it as it was long ago, so that Israel may possess what is left of Edom and all those nations who were once named as Mine.

A time is coming when the Land will prosper and be fruitful. I shall bring back My exiled people, they will restore their towns and vineyards. They will enjoy the produce of the Land. Once more, I shall plant My people in their own soil, never again to be removed from the Land that I have given them. REB[ble [abridged]

My contention that all true Israelites; who are now every faithful Christian, will gather and settle into all of the holy Land before the Return of Jesus, is reinforced by this passage from the prophet Amos. The sequence of events is clear – firstly a lack of good Bible teaching. Then, in Amos 9:1-8, describes the Day of the Lords vengeance, when disaster will fall onto all these peoples attacking the State of Israel. As per Amos 1.

The Jews too, will be judged. Jeremiah 12:14-17, Amos 2:4-5

But the descendants of Jacob, that is all 12 tribes of Israel, including those grafted in by their faith, are known to God. He will gather and judge them all. Ezekiel 20:34-36, Isaiah 1:25, Deuteronomy 32:36.

V. 11-12 Then, “On that day, I will restore David’s fallen house”. This will fulfil God’s promise to David, that His royal line will continue forever. “so that Israel may possess what is left of Edom”, all of the holy Land, cleared out by the Lord’s Day of wrath.

This enables the Lord’s Christian people to be a ‘light to the nations’ and preach the gospel of the coming Kingdom. It also fulfils God’s promises to the Patriarchs, that their posterity will live in peace and prosperity in ALL the Land promised to them. Deut 30:36

The Lord will bestow on His people all those amazing blessings as promised throughout the Bible. There will be times of difficulty, and testing as when the Anti Christ stops the offerings in the New Temple, Daniel 9:27, but those who hold firm to faith in God, will see Jesus Return in His Glory and will reign with Him.

Amos 9:13-15 Behold, the days come, says the Lord..... the mountains shall drip sweet wine....... and I will bring again the captivity of My people of Israel and they shall build the waste cities and inhabit them. They will plant vineyards and drink the wine thereof........ and I shall plant them upon their Land and they shall no more be pulled up out of their Land, which I have given them, says the Lord thy God. KJV Bible.

 

[Douggg]

Nothing in Revelation 14:20 says when the huge flow of blood will happen. But it surely cannot be when Jesus Returns. The only place that Prophecy fits, is at the Sixth Seal.

The timing of Revelation 14:20 is after the 144,000 are in heaven, verses 1-5, and after Babylon is fallen, is fallen verse 8, and after people worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in their forehead or right hand, verse 9-10, and at the time of the winepress of the wrath of God, verse 19. Which is at the time of the great tribulation.

The blood flowing a horse's bridle deep for 200 miles in the area surrounding Jerusalem will be at Jesus Return at the end of the great tribulation.

There is nothing in the text that suggests a pre-7 year event. You have the sixth seal wrong, and Revelation 14:20 verse wrong. And the notion of some pre-7 year cataclysmic solar event destroying the current population in Israel an invention of your own imagination, and not not understanding the scriptures.

 

[Douggg]

The Lord will bestow on His people all those amazing blessings as promised throughout the Bible. There will be times of difficulty, and testing as when the Anti Christ stops the offerings in the New Temple, Daniel 9:27, but those who hold firm to faith in God, will see Jesus Return in His Glory and will reign with Him.

You left out part of your claim. You claim that it will be Christians who rebuild the temple on the temple mount - and not the Jews.

You take the Jews completely out of the 70th week prophecy picture and replace them with Christians. Contrary to the fact that the 70 weeks are in Daniel 9:24 are determined upon Jerusalem and Daniel's people - the Jews.

The only future you envision for the present Jewish population currently in Israel is their complete annihilation and destruction in a cataclysmic solar event - the next big event in bible prophecy according to you.