California to Provide Free College by Taxing Millionaires

[SeventyOne]

Public colleges indeed are.

They fall under the state charter, but they are not services. There is a difference.

 

[bhsmte]

If it's a general rule to do so, where's the evidence supporting your general rule?

And I didn't refuse, I provided him with a tool to get the information he demanded.

Does this then mean you simply take all claims from other people at their word? Or, do you like to have them substantiated. You can either provide evidence to support your claim or you cant. Thus far, you have provided none.

 

[Belk]

Interesting. Is there evidence to prove that statement, or can I just dismiss it?

Just because someone says something on a forum, doesn't mean they have to provide evidence to support it for anyone interested. If someone cares, they can check it out for themselves.


You didn't check it out for yourself, therefore I have to assume you really don't care and it would ba a waste of my time. Case in point, in the time it took you to find that pic, you could have just looked up the info yourself. That said, here is a little of my time wasted for you.

Or, since you had already looked up the information and knew where it was you could have just directed me to it instead of making a snarky response. Your point, your responsability to support it. It even used to be required by the site rules.

http://www.spectrumlocationsolutions.com/pdf/Businesses-Leave-California-.pdf

Say thank you.

I would have, if you had not demanded it.

 

[super animator]

If it's a general rule to do so, where's the evidence supporting your general rule?

It's called an implied rule.

 

[DaisyDay]

I would expect that very few are. Millionaires can afford to be liberals.

If the tax is on millionaires and if it is the millionaires who, being Californian millionaire thus liberals, support this tax, then it's not other people's money, it's their own going to better society through opportunity.

 

[grasping the after wind]

If the tax is on millionaires and if it is the millionaires who, being Californian millionaire thus liberals, support this tax, then it's not other people's money, it's their own going to better society through opportunity.

I agree with some of this but i find your conclusion unwarranted i.e. money spent on a questionable quality education somehow betters society. If simply putting bodies through an educational system no matter the quality of that system improved society I would think we would have a much better society than we possess now.

 

[grasping the after wind]

He's not an ideologue at all. He's an opportunist. He'll be whatever you would like him to be, so long as you have something he wants.

Sounds like the typical politician. So why is he so hated when others of the exact same ilk are not only not so vehemently despised but often slavishly adored?

 

[DaisyDay]

Sounds like the typical politician. So why is he so hated when others of the exact same ilk are not only not so vehemently despised but often slavishly adored?

He is slavishly adored - his many and obvious lies are taken for truth, his hypocrisy is excused and his self-dealings are lauded as good business sense - by quite a few.

 

[JohnHarthover]

They fall under the state charter, but they are not services. There is a difference.

What is the difference? Back in the day, fire fighting was done by private companies and/or by volunteers. Eventually, people realized that was stupid and it was turned into a service.

Back in the day, education from grades X to Y were handled by private companies and/or volunteers. Eventually, people realized that was stupid and it was turned into a service.

Now we are discussing whether education from grades Y to Z should be a service and folks are acting like its madness. The fact that X to Y is provided for free by the government is accepted as reasonable, but Y to Z being covered is being described by some folks on here as some sort of foreignish "socialism" is bizarre.

The free American education system might not be the world's best, but its not bad either. People learn to read and learn to do math. Folks that finish high school or finish a degree at a public university tend to do much better financially than folks that do not.

 

[JGG]

Here's the thing: The USA is quickly becoming a loser in terms of education. Countries like Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Canada, Germany, and Scandinavia in general are pulling way out ahead of us. In terms of securing jobs that require skill, training, talent, and education, our workforce is not up to the demand. We actually import foreigners to do those jobs. Just last week I had a tech firm ask for resumes to fill a position (one for which an American would have been uniquely suited). The only people I know who had the technical skills to fill the job were foreigners. I ended up recommending a South Korean.

Trump just spent an election promising to bring back more low-wage, low-wage, manufacturing jobs. Americans have been upset that illegal aliens had been taking the sub-minimum wage jobs. These are people whining that they can't find a job because they don't have training, education, or skill. Meanwhile, I have to recommend people from other countries to do technical jobs that our workforce just isn't up to.

The fact is, as long as we rely on these low-skilled, low-wage jobs that can be done just as well in Mexico or China, or will be filled by a machine in the near future, we're giving up higher wages, we're giving room for other nations to pull ahead, and we're dooming our future.

Our citizens need college. They need training, they need education, they need to develop skills. Our citizens have literally said "We don't want them."