By unanimous agreement The Supreme Court corrected the errors of lower courts

[hislegacy]

MSN

Trump stays on the ballot.

 

[A2SG]

MSN

Trump stays on the ballot.

Cool. Now he can lose fair and square come November

-- A2SG, it's only fair...

 

[hislegacy]

Cool. Now he can lose fair and square come November

-- A2SG, it's only fair...

He could also win fair and square come November

--Hislegacy, it is also only fair...

 

[A2SG]

He could also win fair and square come November

--Hislegacy, it is also only fair...

Now, now...no need to be pessimistic. There is always hope.

-- A2SG, hope does spring eternal, after all...

 

[jacks]

I'm surprised it was a unanimous decision. I guess legally, the states barring of Trump was on untenable grounds. Also no matter who you support, letting states decide who is on a federal ballot, could lead to all kinds of tit-for-tat. So I think it was a good decision.

 

[rambot]

I realized that, without convictions on charges, it is not reasonable to keep him off the ballot.

I think that, with convictions, Presidents should stay off the ballot, but without them, yeah,it could lead to childish behaviours.

 

[hislegacy]

Now, now...no need to be pessimistic. There is always hope.

-- A2SG, hope does spring eternal, after all...

I find it quite optimistic -

--Hislegacy, one man's pessimism is often times another man's optimism...

 

[hislegacy]

I realized that, without convictions on charges, it is not reasonable to keep him off the ballot.

I think that, with convictions, Presidents should stay off the ballot, but without them, yeah,it could lead to childish behaviours.

Not only are there no convictions - there are no charges.

presumption of innocence

www.law.cornell.edu

A presumption of innocence means that any defendant in a criminal trial is assumed to be innocent until they have been proven guilty.​

​

Funny thing about courts - they uphold the law.​

​

-- HisLegacy, now if we can only get the media and certain Biden followers to do the same...​

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Cool. Now he can lose fair and square come November

-- A2SG, it's only fair...

That will make no difference. He will claim "rigged election" and his followers will believe him. No telling what damage they will do next.

 

[rambot]

Not only are there no convictions - there are no charges.

presumption of innocence

www.law.cornell.edu

A presumption of innocence means that any defendant in a criminal trial is assumed to be innocent until they have been proven guilty.​

​

Funny thing about courts - they uphold the law.​

​

-- HisLegacy, now if we can only get the media and certain Biden followers to do the same...​

Yeah. Trump's never broken a law. Trump's organizations have never broken a law.

Fair point. It's never him, is it.

 

[hislegacy]

Yeah. Trump's never broken a law. Trump's organizations have never broken a law.

Fair point. It's never him, is it.

Reality in this case is that President Trump is innocent because there have never even been charges and that is legal precedent in the US - we live by laws and precedent and that is what the Supreme Court unanimously upheld. The reader will note that ALL nine member of the court - liberal and conservatives agreed.

The court of public opinion is different because IMHO it is corrupt and skewed.

 

[rambot]

Reality in this case is that President Trump is innocent because there have never even been charges and that is legal precedent in the US - we live by laws and precedent and that is what the Supreme Court unanimously upheld. The reader will note that ALL nine member of the court - liberal and conservatives agreed.

The court of public opinion is different because IMHO it is corrupt and skewed.

As I mentioned, without conviction, I can't help but agree.


I think, therefore, the BEST course of action, then, is for Biden (while still President) to put a hit out on Trump the day before the election. There is NO WAY that he'll be able to be prosecuted in time and apparently, there is no reason for Biden to be kept off the ballot in such a case.

/s

 

[rambot]

Also, out of curiousity, is this factual?

I mean, it's silly to argue he wasn't involved in the insurrection; and it's very clear there were folks willing to do ANYHTING to keep him in power.


Seems interesting that the SC could have done that but chose not to do so.

 

[Fantine]

Reality in this case is that President Trump is innocent because there have never even been charges and that is legal precedent in the US - we live by laws and precedent and that is what the Supreme Court unanimously upheld. The reader will note that ALL nine member of the court - liberal and conservatives agreed.

The court of public opinion is different because IMHO it is corrupt and skewed.

The decision did not involve his character--or deficiencies.

It had to do with whether the states were allowed constitutionally to make the wise and ethical decisions they did.

Unfortunately, they were not authorized to stop the wolf at their gate.

It's up to us voters to do so!

 

[NotreDame]

Reality in this case is that President Trump is innocent because there have never even been charges and that is legal precedent in the US - we live by laws and precedent and that is what the Supreme Court unanimously upheld. The reader will note that ALL nine member of the court - liberal and conservatives agreed.

The court of public opinion is different because IMHO it is corrupt and skewed.

The decision doesn’t rest upon whether Trump is charged or found guilty.

 

[NotreDame]

Not only are there no convictions - there are no charges.

presumption of innocence

www.law.cornell.edu

A presumption of innocence means that any defendant in a criminal trial is assumed to be innocent until they have been proven guilty.​

​

Funny thing about courts - they uphold the law.​

​

-- HisLegacy, now if we can only get the media and certain Biden followers to do the same...​

So what? None of the above is germane to the decision released today by SCOTUS.

 

[NotreDame]

I realized that, without convictions on charges, it is not reasonable to keep him off the ballot.

I think that, with convictions, Presidents should stay off the ballot, but without them, yeah,it could lead to childish behaviours.

Except Section 3 doesn’t require any charges or any conviction and the decision is not based upon whether there are charges or convictions.

 

[rambot]

Except Section 3 doesn’t require any charges or any conviction and the decision is not based upon whether there are charges or convictions.

Really? I recall you were a big "court fellow".

Did you read the outcome? Any chance you could lend your expertise?

 

[NotreDame]

Also, out of curiousity, is this factual?
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I mean, it's silly to argue he wasn't involved in the insurrection; and it's very clear there were folks willing to do ANYHTING to keep him in power.


Seems interesting that the SC could have done that but chose not to do so.

Or perhaps there wasn’t any insurrection or attempted insurrection as no one Jan 6., acted to overthrow the government or to overthrow the authority of the government. Which perhaps explains why Smith never charged Trump with insurrection but with attempting/conspiring to obstruct an “official proceeding.”

The facts fit attempting/conspiracy to obstruct official proceeding more strongly than insurrection.

 

[NotreDame]

Really? I recall you were a big "court fellow".

Did you read the outcome? Any chance you could lend your expertise?

Yes I read the decision.

The Court decided 1.) Congress must pass legislation before Sec.3 can be enforced 2.) No legislation having been passed by Congress therefore C) Colorado and the States lack authority to enforce Sec 3 against D.) candidates for federal office and those occupying federal office but E) States have the authority to enforce Sec 3 against State office positions.

4 concurrence opinion by Barrett, Sotomayor, Jackson and Kagan 1.) They agree only with the judgment but 2) The majority, rightly, went further than necessary to decide the case by Holding 3) Congress must pass legislation before Sec 3 can be enforced since, after all 4.) Sec 3 plain text does not mandate Congressional action for enforcement and 5.) Forecloses some other mechanism by federal power to enforce Sec 3.