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Correction:
In this way HETEROSEXUAL (the assumption at the time for all men) men abandoned natural relations with women.
When you read it properly, it works!
But to choose to not be myself would then cease giving glory to God...and I refuse to cease giving glory to God!
I have denied plenty.Men did what is impure, does it say anyone can do it and not be sinful? No. You are misrepresenting scrtipture, that is a far graver sin. After you believe you own lie you are truly lost.
If you wish to bring glory to God you would deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow him.
Who you are is sinnful, God does not want that.
I have denied plenty.
But I will not deny that which God has blessed.
He has not called me out of relationship, but INTO relationship that gives witness to God's love in the world.
Who ALL OF US ARE is sinful. (That includes YOU, bro.) But thanks be to God who gives us the victory - we are made worthy by Christ to stand before him.
In order to believe your explanation you have to deny that scriptures were divinely inspired?
ως σοδομα και γομορρα και αι περι αυτας πολεις τον ομοιον τουτοις τροπον εκπορνευσασαι και απελθουσαι οπισω σαρκος ετερας προκεινται δειγμα πυρος αιωνιου δικην υπεχουσαι
Jude 1:7 [Textus Receptus]
How do you get, from Jude 7, that it's talking about following a fleshly religion? I know you already explained it, but it doesn't make any sense.
The men of the city wanted to have homosexual sex with Lot's guests. Explain to me also, how you came to the conclusion that it was a 'political act of terrorism.' I know the difference between sex and rape, but what Sodom and Gomorrah did was clearly because they were wicked, not because it made them feel in control or powerful.
Their lust is included in what is wicked, by the way. Sexual immorality can include same-sex sex and heterosexual sexual immorality
In scriptures, we don't see Jesus grabbing anyone by the collar and telling them 'it's a sin!"but we also don't see anyone denying what is a sin. It's not about telling gay people what they are doing is sin, because they already understand this viewpoint (or have at least heard it). This is about Christians denying it's a sin because they don't want to change their lifestyles. If homosexuality wasn't called a sin then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But in case you are wondering, I do not go up to gay people and freak out on them, or campaign in the streets against them, or anything like that. I am not better than a homosexual, the same way I am not better than a liar or a murderer or a thief. I also sin. The problem is denying whether or not something is a sin. I would not tell a person in my family, if they came out and said they were gay, that I hated them or that they were sick. I would not lie and tell them I agree with their lifestyle, but I would love them anyway. I understand that many people have a hard time with being homosexual, but that does not convince me that it's not a choice and I'm not going to lie about what I believe. That also doesn't mean I wouldn't continually tell them that God loves them, either.
Deuteronomy 20:10-14What do you mean, the bible has very few problems with women being raped ?
In other words you reject the truth because it conflicts with your personal prejudice.I hold to my previous position, despite your explanation of Leviticus, because the scriptural evidence against homosexuality is there.
Yet there is significant evidence that sexual oriention is an inborn trait.It is not proven (genetically) that homosexuality is inborn, if it was there would be no debate about it.
I finally understand now that you and many other people advocating for homosexuality believe that it's not the same as today as it was back then.
Prove that He did.
Yeah it isIt's not about personal prejudice,
it's about truth.
Call it planting tulips but people still end up being dead. And you seem to really enjoy that notionSure.
No, I don't approve of mass murder. Are you calling God's justice system murder?
There exists no evidence that sexual oriention is a choice.That homosexuality isn't a choice is the same assumption.
"You can safely conclude you have created God in your own image when it turns out that He hates all the same people you do" - Anne LamottI am not defying God. You are, and so is anyone who claims it's not a sin.
if you are talking about your personal prejudice then yes you are correct it is wrong to be prejudice and it is wrong to try to use the bible to justify ones hatredThe acts are wrong, therefore the relationships/feelings are wrong.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ChaliceThunder again.I am going to assume you meant well by this statement, but it still gripes me that we are compared to murderers and thieves.
"I am not better than a biblical literalist, the same way I am not better than a murderer or a thief."
OK - I feel better now.
So why all the sock puppets?
too many warnings?
I was born this way.
Be careful, they get most offended when asked to extend their arguments to rapists and pedophiles.I sense no malice in their words, they are just informing you of your sin using scripture, and what I read from this thread most of you are using it to justify your position when you really don't even beleive it to be the Word of God. If homosexuality is inborn and cannot be avoided, can the same be said of pedophilia?(sp?) I'm sorta confused on this whole issue.. since marriage contains the roles of the husband and wife, two becoming one..can a same-sex marriage fit into this?
Be careful, they get most offended when asked to extend their arguments to rapists and pedophiles.
God has blessed my relationship, which shows many of the fruits of the Spirit. And I am thankful for every one of them.And what has God blessed? Peace, patience, kindness, self-control, and which one were you refering to?
I have been forgiven as well, but homosexuality is on that list too.
God has blessed my relationship, which shows many of the fruits of the Spirit. And I am thankful for every one of them.
Im opposed to racism as well. Do you think that makes me black?I sense no malice in their words, they are just informing you of your sin using scripture,
It is interesting how you contort the literal and contextual translation of the bible as an somehow being a sign of disbelief. Can you explain why you think that?and what I read from this thread most of you are using it to justify your position when you really don't even beleive it to be the Word of God.
This same tactic has been used by racists for decades. They have falsely compared blacks to some criminal, usually sexually based criminals.If homosexuality is inborn and cannot be avoided, can the same be said of pedophilia?(sp?)
Why not ask some of the tens of thousands of happily married same sex couplesI'm sorta confused on this whole issue.. since marriage contains the roles of the husband and wife, two becoming one..can a same-sex marriage fit into this?
It always makes me really happy to see posts like this. Despite whatever criticism we may recieve anybody in a fulfilling same-sex relationship Christian or otherwise knows that their relationship is wonderful, good for them, healthy for them and the way things should be.
In the end it dosen't matter what anyone else has to say on the subject except God, and seeing as I am consitantly feeling content and at peace in his presence with my girlfriend I know he approves.
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