Build a fence on the Mexican border!

[LaLaRu]

but do illegals have rights?? since they aren't legal???

Yes, they do. Again, there's the pesky 5th Amendment standing in the Republicans' way.

 

[ACougar]

I have no problem with a fence to stop illegal imigration, at the same time however we must realize that it will still fail if we do not create a legal channel that can handle the flow of immigration into this country.

 

[CCGirl]

Why only on the Mexican border?

 

[ACougar]

Why only on the Mexican border?

The primary reason not to build one on the Canadian border is that it doesn't seem to be as severe a problem. The second would be that it would be much, much more expensive to build a wall along our very long border with Canada.

 

[MachZer0]

of course, every human being has rights.

building a wall is stupid, it is not going to change anything it is just a way to keep the illegals opposers happy

And also illegasl arent "taking american jobs", those companies are giving them the jobs ILLEGALY, if they hire illegals its because theyre willing to do the work that americans wont do for a minumum wage.

However, if there were no illegal aliens to take those jobs, they would be given to citizens or legal immigrants.

 

[MachZer0]

Yes, they do. Again, there's the pesky 5th Amendment standing in the Republicans' way.

That's actually an issue which is in dispute. Either way, I see no problem putting them to work building a fence while waiting for a hearing. It's simply a matter of them earning their keep.

 

[Penny_Lane]

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Either way, I see no problem putting them to work building a fence while waiting for a hearing. It's simply a matter of them earning their keep.

well i think that them working all day on manual jobs for very little paid has made them earned that , and also you sound like you want to enslave them or something :/

However, if there were no illegal aliens to take those jobs, they would be given to citizens or legal immigrants.

well if they gave a job to an ilegal , it is because he/she is willing to work harder for less money, a little competition doesnt hurt anyone, and isnt that what America is all about?

 

[nvxplorer]

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well i think that them working all day on manual jobs for very little paid has made them earned smth ,

Yes, it’s called a paycheck.

I’ve worked my entire life for little pay. What special privilege can I claim?

 

[LaLaRu]

That's actually an issue which is in dispute. Either way, I see no problem putting them to work building a fence while waiting for a hearing. It's simply a matter of them earning their keep.

Oh I'm sure YOU would have no problem with it. Fortunately for all of us, there these pesky things called "human rights' which get in the way.

Nowhere does the fifth Amendment say it only applies to American citizens. Therefore, since I know you're a strict constructionist, you HAVE to interpret it literally and say that the immigrants gets due process rights. At the very least, they need a trail to prove they are actually illegal.

 

[MachZer0]

Oh I'm sure YOU would have no problem with it. Fortunately for all of us, there these pesky things called "human rights' which get in the way.

Nowhere does the fifth Amendment say it only applies to American citizens. Therefore, since I know you're a strict constructionist, you HAVE to interpret it literally and say that the immigrants gets due process rights. At the very least, they need a trail to prove they are actually illegal.

The problem is that these illegal aliens of whom I speak are not in prison awaiting criminal proceedings. They are in detention pending deportation. Due process has been fulfilled. You cry out for their pesky little "human Rights" (your description" yet forget that there are also thes pesky little things called "imigration laws" which the detainees ignored and violated. There's no reason for them not to have to earn their keep while awaiting deportation. It is not a violation of their human rights to put them to work. Isn't that what they came here for, work, predominantly manual labor?

 

[Penny_Lane]

It is not a violation of their human rights to put them to work. Isn't that what they came here for, work, predominantly manual labor?

and isnt that what they were already doing?

I’ve worked my entire life for little pay. What special privilege can I claim?

well im guessing youre already a citizen so i dont know why youre complaining

 

[LaLaRu]

The problem is that these illegal aliens of whom I speak are not in prison awaiting criminal proceedings. They are in detention pending deportation. Due process has been fulfilled.

Exactly. They are here illegally and are now on their way out. So far so good.

You cry out for their pesky little "human Rights" (your description" yet forget that there are also thes pesky little things called "imigration laws" which the detainees ignored and violated.

Did I say that they should stay? No, by all meand follow immagration laws and kick them out.

There's no reason for them not to have to earn their keep while awaiting deportation. It is not a violation of their human rights to put them to work. Isn't that what they came here for, work, predominantly manual labor?

Because forced labor is a violation of human rights? You said it yourself, they are were not convicted by a criminal court. Therefore, they cannot be treated like criminals.

 

[MachZer0]

Exactly. They are here illegally and are now on their way out. So far so good.Did I say that they should stay? No, by all meand follow immagration laws and kick them out.Because forced labor is a violation of human rights? You said it yourself, they are were not convicted by a criminal court. Therefore, they cannot be treated like criminals.

It's not forced labor. They came here, ostensibly, to work, let them work if they want to eat while waiting depotation. Earning your keep is a basic part of life. There's no reason for us to give them free room and board after they violated our immigration laws. More importantly, if it becomes mational policy that illegal alien detainees will be working for their keep, then future detainees will basically be volunteering to perform the labor simply by their actions. If you know that your actions will result in your performing manual labor, and you willfully engage in those actions, then you volunteered to perform the manual labor.

 

[nvxplorer]

well im guessing youre already a citizen so i dont know why youre complaining

Who’s complaining? I simply want to know what privileges, other than my paycheck, I can obtain from working. People work to feed themselves. Why should working mean anything other than it is: Earning a living?

What of those who don’t work? Should they be ineligible for citizenship?

What I’m asking for is an explanation of the connection between holding a job and becoming a citizen. We all must hold jobs. Citizenship, IMO, should require more than something we all must do anyway.

 

[PastorMikeJ]

of course, every human being has rights.

building a wall is stupid, it is not going to change anything it is just a way to keep the illegals opposers happy

And also illegasl arent "taking american jobs", those companies are giving them the jobs ILLEGALY, if they hire illegals its because theyre willing to do the work that americans wont do for a minumum wage.

Yeah what you said!!!! but building a wall will keep people working!! paying taxes!! and out of trouble!

 

[PastorMikeJ]

The primary reason not to build one on the Canadian border is that it doesn't seem to be as severe a problem. The second would be that it would be much, much more expensive to build a wall along our very long border with Canada.

plus it gets very very cold up there!!!! and the ground gets very hard...we would have to provide winter clothes for the workers also...plus the population of Canada isn't that big and it is mostly US citizens trying to sneak in to Canada not the other way around...

 

[LaLaRu]

It's not forced labor. They came here, ostensibly, to work, let them work if they want to eat while waiting depotation.

Incidently, they also came here to spend their time outside a prison cell.

Earning your keep is a basic part of life. There's no reason for us to give them free room and board after they violated our immigration laws.

It's part of the cost of running the INS and is their responsibility. You know, responsibility? The thing Republicians used to beleive in? Not even all criminals who have commited far worse aren't forced to work.

More importantly, if it becomes mational policy that illegal alien detainees will be working for their keep, then future detainees will basically be volunteering to perform the labor simply by their actions. If you know that your actions will result in your performing manual labor, and you willfully engage in those actions, then you volunteered to perform the manual labor.

That same logic can be used as justification for kiling someone for littering. After all, if you're littering then you're voulenteering to be shot, right? Fortunately for all of us, that pesky Bill of Rights pervents that. "Because they knew what the punishment would be." is not a valid argument to justify an abitrary punishment.

 

[MachZer0]

Incidently, they also came here to spend their time outside a prison cell.

Then they should have come here legally

It's part of the cost of running the INS and is their responsibility. You know, responsibility? The thing Republicians used to beleive in?

The costs could be reduced if we gained the benefit of their manual labor while they are being detained. there's nothing wrong with that. Responsibility doesn't mean allowing others to take advantage of us

Not even all criminals who have commited far worse aren't forced to work.

They used to be forced, and they should now

That same logic can be used as justification for kiling someone for littering. After all, if you're littering then you're voulenteering to be shot, right?

No, because the penalty for littering is a fine usually. So if you litter, you are volunteering to pay the fine.

Fortunately for all of us, that pesky Bill of Rights pervents that. "Because they knew what the punishment would be." is not a valid argument to justify an abitrary punishment.

The right to break the law is not in the Bill of Rights. When you break the law, you lose rights.

 

[SummerMadness]

Will the wall look like that wall in The Two Towers? I never pictured Mexicans as orcs.

 

[MachZer0]

Will the wall look like that wall in The Two Towers? I never pictured Mexicans as orcs.

Well, I have no idea what that means.