Breach of the Capitol: Consequences, Repercussions & Reactions

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The 14 unruly participants on an Alaska Airlines flight are now banned from flying back to DC, and there are broad calls to put more people on no-fly lists.

I'm sure there will be lots more. If the FBI can add thousands of people to no-fly lists for simply being born in certain countries or travelling to them, then they can certainly do it for people identified as actually trying to break into the capitol building.

Stand by for the crying and complaints
 
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At least two U.S. Capitol Police officers have been suspended and more than a dozen others are under investigation for suspected involvement with or inappropriate support for the Wednesday demonstration that turned into a deadly riot at the Capitol, according to two congressional officials briefed on the developments.
 
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I'm sure there will be lots more. If the FBI can add thousands of people to no-fly lists for simply being born in certain countries or travelling to them, then they can certainly do it for people identified as actually trying to break into the capitol building.

Stand by for the crying and complaints
Those “Trump 2020. Make Liberals Cry More” are looking reeeaaallly ironic right now...
 
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It's a metaphor....clearly....like "burn the system down".

Clear to whom? Judging by the moronic behaviour of those supporters of his that occurred directly after his speech, there was obviously an alternate message received.
 
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What Trump actually intended is open for discussion. Perhaps he didn’t intend to incite a riot. But given what he should reasonably known about that crowd, those comments were lighting a match next to gasoline. I don’t know that you could convict him of a crime. In fact I think not. But I think it’s grounds for impeachment. Being irresponsible is perfectly good reason to remove someone, and to want to make sure he can’t run again.

and yes, I’d say the thing about some city officials who accepted riots this summer. We have to stop appeasing terrorists, right and left.
 
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Clear to whom? Judging by the moronic behaviour of those supporters of his that occurred directly after his speech, there was obviously an alternate message received.

What moronic behavior? The mostly peaceful protest?
 
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What moronic behavior? The mostly peaceful protest?
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Below is the noose that was erected at the Capitol by some of the treacherous Insurrectionists.

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Some of the Insurrectionists were yelling "HANG MIKE PENCE!" And three of the Insurrectionists were overheard saying that they wanted to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him as a traitor.

I fail to see how an assassination attempt on Vice President Pence and a retired Air Force Colonel in tactical gear, carrying zip ties as if he's looking to take hostages, constitutes a peaceful protest.
 
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They almost all had hearings, where the lawyers stood up and explained why their case had merit. They included affidavits in the original filing. The issue was, the courts went through the affidavits and found they were meritless. I've gone through many of the judges decisions in previous posts -- where judges talk about specific affidavits and explain why they either show no wrongdoing (things like the "Sharpie" issue in Arizona or ballots being brought in a back door -- that was the door assigned to bring all valid ballots in through), where they are directly contradicted by other affidavits presented by the defense and don't show an issue that would change the vote count, etc.

As I keep stating, the judges looked at the evidence and determined there was not enough supplied by Trump's lawyers to go to trial. These decisions were appealed, and the Appeals Courts (and even the Supreme Court) looked at the issues and found that the original judge correctly dismissed the cases.




Again, Trump did have his day in court. He filed dozens of cases and then he appealed the decisions in those cases. None of the judges, even the judges directly appointed by Trump himself, found any evidence that supported any fraud, or that the vote would have been changed.





But from what I've seen, every state has done this (though there may be a few out of the 50 who haven't) -- it tends to be a normal part of a state's electoral process. We know Georgia did it, it was widely reportered, and that they found almost no issues. The two issues they found were where two votes were cast in dead people's names -- one was cast for Trump and they are still investigating the second.

The "MSM" is reporting these facts but not in the sensationalist way, and full of half-truths, that some right wing sources are reporting it. They don't get a lot of press time because the facts don't support the 'grand conspiracy' that Trump is claiming.

Yes, we hear all the time about the "thousands of affidavits" but we don't hear from those same sources how hundreds of those affidavits are by people who were told to use a "Sharpie," when you can find guidance before the election, and from the machine manufacturer, that Sharpie is the recommended way to mark the ballots (the YouTube video at the bottom of the link is from Oct. 24).

Hundreds of more affidavits are from observers in Michigan and Pennsylvania that weren't allowed to reserve. Now, most of these were from people who complained they weren't allowed in -- the issue was, there were already (in Michigan) over Republican observers in the room -- the room was too full and they weren't allowing more observers in. What the courts found is that there were always more than enough Republican observers to see all aspects of the vote count. The issue was, the Republican Party blasted over Twitter at a time when they didn't have as many observers as they would like -- so they asked Republicans statewide to come observe. When hundreds of Republicans showed up, obviously, most of those hundreds couldn't get in after close to two hundred were already in the room.

Next, you had complaints from observers who didn't want to follow Coronavirus protocols and wanted to get closer to the counters. Now, in one case, in one precinct in Pennsylvania, the original judge determined 10 feet was too far and it was decided that six feet would be close enough. In other areas, the judges ruled that the rules were fair, that observers could see enough of what they needed to, while still trying to prevent Coronavirus spread.

I also have to mention that the Trump campaign found many of the affidavits unreliable. In once case, in Arizona, a judge questioned the Trump campaign about the affidavits they did not submit, because the Trump campaign's investigations found that those affidavits were based on false claims. I've posted the video previously here, and can post it again. The point being, despite this claim that these were made "under penalty of law" or perjury, the fact remains that a number of these affidavits were false, to the point that the Trump campaign would not submit them in court.
Thank you for standing up to the gigantic lie.
 
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"President Donald Trump’s acting head of the Department of Homeland Security abruptly resigned Monday, leaving the post ahead of schedule as the nation faces a heightened terrorism threat from extremists seeking to reverse the election."

Trump Homeland Security chief abruptly quits at tense time

"President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team is expected to make a major push on Tuesday that calls on Republicans to swiftly confirm the president-elect’s national security picks so they’re in place when the Democrat takes office next week.

"Amid fallout from the deadly riots at the U.S. Capitol, Biden officials and congressional allies will begin making the case Tuesday that there is a unique urgency in getting the positions filled as soon as possible so there is no gap in national security during a presidential transfer of power, a person familiar with the strategy told POLITICO.

"The top priority for the Biden team is confirming Biden’s pick to lead the Department of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, the source said, who added that the messaging push will take place in every forum, in and out of Congress."

Biden team launching push to confirm national security nominees ASAP
 
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"President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team is expected to make a major push on Tuesday that calls on Republicans to swiftly confirm the president-elect’s national security picks so they’re in place when the Democrat takes office next week.

....given the state of DHS and the recent performance of the Pentagon, those confirmations will go swiftly.
 
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What moronic behavior? The mostly peaceful protest?

Mostly peaceful? Are you blind? Mobs of people stormed the Capitol, threatened the lives of lawmakers, stole some items and destroyed others. Five people have died and more may be coming.
 
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1. Trump told them to go down to Capitol.
2. Giuliani told them to do combat
3. They went down to the Capitol,
4. Broke in
5. And Trump people Murdered a police officer.
6. Trump's people murdered him at the behest of Trump and Giuliani
1. Here's exactly what he said: “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
2. Are you serious? Giuliani's "trial by combat" was obviously a tongue in cheek statement of the Medieval practice of dueling.
Allowing a forensic audit of the precincts in question at Trumps expense would have avoided all the rest.
 
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Was anything in that timeline wrong? Is there anything missing?

If so, please tell us.
At 40 seconds it is cut and spliced. He said: “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
You have to ask yourself, why would "honest" journalists do that?
 
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