Breach of the Capitol: Consequences, Repercussions & Reactions

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A thread to list and discuss the consequences, repercussions and reactions to the perpetrators and instigators of the deplorable attack on the Capitol, and the associated effort to withhold electoral votes from Joe Biden by some GOP Congresspeople.

To be clear, the "evidence shows the mob was overwhelmingly made up of longtime Trump supporters, including Republican Party officials, GOP political donors, far-right militants, white supremacists and adherents of the [you know what conspiracy theory]."

For Trump himself, for his role in instigating:
*calls for removal via the 25th Amendment
*calls for impeachment
*nuking his Twitter and similar services declining to do business with him
*The PGA has yanked the 2022 Championship from Trump National

For the Congresspeople who participated in the failed effort to refuse certification to Biden's electoral votes.:
*Marriott and probably other companies have declared they will cease donations to the 147 GOP members who participated in the farce.
*Senator Josh Hawley, I hear, had to sit all by himself in the Senate bunker because no one would talk to him. Being shunned is probably not the end of his woes.

For the rioters:
Obviously, arrests and criminal charges grow daily.
These and others are being fired or resigning from their positions.
The 14 unruly participants on an Alaska Airlines flight are now banned from flying back to DC, and there are broad calls to put more people on no-fly lists.

As for reactions, I was struck by this article discussing Sunday sermons from Trump-supporting pastors. There is quite a variety of responses.

Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, the president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, who delivered a prayer at Trump’s inauguration and has also advised him: “We must repent for making the person who occupies the White House more important than the one who occupies our hearts. We must repent for permitting the donkey and the elephant to divide what the Lamb died for on the cross,” Rodriguez said. “We must repent for voting for individuals whose policies run counter to the word of God and the spirit of the living God.”

Brian Gibson, pastor and founder of His Church in Kentucky: “So now I know some, some bad actors went in, and I believe potentially there were antifa up there. I think more and more I know there were antifa up there, insiders up there that started that action,” Gibson said, with no evidence.

“The Secret Service had to escort the vice president of the United States to safety out of the Capitol building. Gunshots were fired. Tear gas was deployed in the Capitol Rotunda. People were killed. ... This was an assault on law. Attacking the Capitol was not patriotism; it was anarchy,” [John] Hagee said.

The Rev. Tim Remington, the conservative Christian pastor of the Altar church of Idaho: “The next two weeks are probably the most important two weeks in the history of America,” said Remington, who in the spring led in-person services in defiance of a stay-at-home order issued by the governor. “I pray the army of the Lord is ready.”

“I rebuke the news in the name of Jesus,” Remington said. “We ask that this false garbage come to an end. ... It’s the lies, communism, socialism. I don’t know how we’ve put up with it this long.”
 

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That Trump actually incited this riot is a blatant lie.
I read the transcript of his speech at the Elipse. It was actually the exact opposite of what MSM is reporting.

He stated the facts of exactly what and why he is contesting the Election. Without all the widely speculated conspiracy theories and with actual facts and denied requests. And the denied requests are actually reasonable.
Expensive but within reason.

Signature audits are not unreasonable.

You pull a thousand random ballots from questionable counties and check them...if there's a significant portion of them that are highly questionable signatures... you do more. It's not the count that is in question...it's the person casting them by mail. He has repeatedly said this but nobody seems to be reporting the actual facts.

Just like his inciting to riot when he did the exact opposite.
 
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1. Trump told them to go down to Capitol.
2. Giuliani told them to do combat
3. They went down to the Capitol,
4. Broke in
5. And Trump people Murdered a police officer.
6. Trump's people murdered him at the behest of Trump and Giuliani
 
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That Trump actually incited this riot is a blatant lie.

I wrote 'for his role in instigating' whatever that might be, as he told the crowd to march down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol.

He has repeatedly said this but nobody seems to be reporting the actual facts.

If you want to relitigate the election, there are dozens of threads for you to do that in, but you will find the courts have not been impressed by the actual facts.
 
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That Trump actually incited this riot is a blatant lie.
I read the transcript of his speech at the Elipse. It was actually the exact opposite of what MSM is reporting.

He stated the facts of exactly what and why he is contesting the Election. Without all the widely speculated conspiracy theories and with actual facts and denied requests. And the denied requests are actually reasonable.
Expensive but within reason.

Signature audits are not unreasonable.

You pull a thousand random ballots from questionable counties and check them...if there's a significant portion of them that are highly questionable signatures... you do more. It's not the count that is in question...it's the person casting them by mail. He has repeatedly said this but nobody seems to be reporting the actual facts.

Just like his inciting to riot when he did the exact opposite.
Watch this timeline, pay attention to what the President says to the crowd.


Then tell us again that he didn't incite the crowd.
 
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Man seen chasing Black Capitol Police officer in video faces five federal charges

Jensen posted on Twitter on November 12 that he was "ready for 4 more years" and "will do whatever it takes."

According to the FBI and the Polk County Sheriff's Office, Jensen faces five federal charges -- of unlawfully entering the Capitol, disrupting government business, violent entry, parading in a Capitol building and blocking law enforcement during the riot.

KCCI went onto report that Jensen has since been let go from his job at Forrest & Associate Masonry. Company President and CEO Richard Felice told the station the company does not agree with Jensen's actions.
 
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If you want to relitigate the election, there are dozens of threads for you to do that in, but you will find the courts have not been impressed by the actual facts.

And this has shocked me in a lot of ways.

It's the tossing of the case without a single legitimate hearing.
What Trump has requested isn't ridiculous. Usually everyone gets their day in court.

If things were the other way around wouldn't you want your day?

I'm finding less and less truth in what we are being told by the media...

They show a picture of hundreds of thousands of people but then claim it's only hundreds...

Just saying...I'm doubting the allegations you have raised as being legitimate.
 
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He didn't incite the crowd to violence.
He didn’t stop them either and he also hasn’t spoken on the matter save for a prerecorded video put out since it happened. There’s something really strange and unsettling about a direct attack on our government and the head of that government has just been silent about it. For days.
 
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Watch this timeline, pay attention to what the President says to the crowd.


Then tell us again that he didn't incite the crowd.

You prefer believing the selective editing of one biased source to the word of the person that says he read the entire transcript? I will take the word of the poster over the selective edit included in the propaganda piece.
 
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I wrote 'for his role in instigating' whatever that might be, as he told the crowd to march down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol.

That's not to mention him directly telling his supporters to "fight like hell" in his speech: "And we fight. We fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

This is what Trump told supporters before many stormed Capitol Hill

A timeline of how Trump incited his followers to storm the Capitol and attempt a coup
 
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How are we supposed to interpret things like Giuliani’s call for a “trial by combat”? That’s a bit beyond the metaphorical “fight like hell!” Especially since they’ve exhausted every legal avenue available to them.

When taken with all the other chatter in right wing circles about ‘fighting the communist Democrats’ and ‘stopping the steal’ and talk of a second civil war, I don’t see how anyone can defend the language that’s been used to slowly radicalize some contingent of the Trump base. What happened on 1/6 was almost certainly inevitable because it has been escalating to it for some time. The president may not have directed anyone to commit crimes but he has definitely provided a ton of fuel to the fire that’s been lit. Being a leader carries extra responsibility for what happens beneath you.
 
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He didn't incite the crowd to violence.
He definitely energized them into doing what they did, even if that was what they were planning to do anyway. It does need to be looked at closely.
 
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You prefer believing the selective editing of one biased source to the word of the person that says he read the entire transcript? I will take the word of the poster over the selective edit included in the propaganda piece.
Was anything in that timeline wrong? Is there anything missing?

If so, please tell us.
 
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That Trump actually incited this riot is a blatant lie.
I read the transcript of his speech at the Elipse. It was actually the exact opposite of what MSM is reporting.

He stated the facts of exactly what and why he is contesting the Election. Without all the widely speculated conspiracy theories and with actual facts and denied requests. And the denied requests are actually reasonable.
Expensive but within reason.

Signature audits are not unreasonable.

You pull a thousand random ballots from questionable counties and check them...if there's a significant portion of them that are highly questionable signatures... you do more. It's not the count that is in question...it's the person casting them by mail. He has repeatedly said this but nobody seems to be reporting the actual facts.

Just like his inciting to riot when he did the exact opposite.
Did the Governor of Georgia along with the Secretary of State and others commit election fraud?
 
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it's not just what he said there, it's what he had said and done for 2 months convincing half the country that there was massive election fraud despite it not being true. While I agree Guilini was not saying to fight.

Read the context on that, he was talking about trump and biden proving their sides or such.

It was definitely a stupid thing to say at that point given how much inciting has been going on. Trump created a insane beast, and now you guys want to pretend that it's not his fault.
 
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