"Brainwashed" by evolution?

[lucaspa]

There are some Creationists that don't think that way though (that if we reject their belief, we reject God/Bible/etc), so Pride is less of an issue for them.

Which ones are these? Not any of the professional creationists I have read.

 

[Dracil]

I was speaking more of the everyday message boarder. Also, some of my friends are Creationists too.

 

[Bushido216]

Which ones are these? Not any of the professional creationists I have read.

Professional Creationist...

laff

 

[FireFort23]

That is, God is capable of making a 6,000 year old universe that looks like it is 13.4 billion years old. But if God does that, then God is no different from Satan. He is deceiving us.

You're really going to regret saying that if you get to heaven and find out you were wrong!

Let's follow the logic of creationism. Two people -- Adam and Eve. What ethnic type were they? Since there are 3 major ethnic groupings among humans, they couldn't be all 3, could they? After all, there are only two of them. So, even if Adam had white skin and Eve had black (or vice versa), where did the epicanthic folds and the skin tones of the Asians come from? They had to have evolved, didn't they? After all, nowhere in the Bible does it say God created more people after Adam and Eve.

You're right, they WOULD have to have evolved.... UNLESS God decided not only to scramble their languages but also their ethnicity at the Tower of Babel. That's just a thought... Also, the Bible does not mention God creating more people, but does that necessarily mean that he didn't?

 

[FireFort23]

We are not limiting God, we are looking at the theological consequences that happen if God created that way. If God created as you say, with the light already on the way to earth so that it looks like the stars are millions of light years away in distance and time, then God is deceiving us.

So, if God created those stars 6,000 years ago, they couldn't BE millions of "light years" away?

Firefort, what you are doing is called the Oomphalos Argument. That is, God made a universe that only looks old but it is really young. The problem with this is not science. Science can accept that an omnipotent deity did this. The problem is what it does to God and Christianity. It destroys God as a deity we can follow and worship. What you are saying is that God deliberately lied to us. Instead of making a universe that looks like it is -- young -- He made a universe that looks like it is not -- old.

Just for the sake of curiousity, what would a young Earth look like to you? An I don't believe that God made the Earth look old, he made it beautiful. And remember, with as much water as was dumped during the Flood, that pressure could have DRASTICALLY changed the geographic features of the surface.

Congratulations. In order to hold onto your human, fallible young earth theory, you have destroyed Christianity!

I haven't destroyed Christianity at all! I may have destroyed the image of God that you believe to be true (which neither of us will know with 100% certainty until we go Home), but I have no called God a liar in any way!

 

[FireFort23]

I think he was talking figuratively. I think he was laying out a corporate organization chart so that, no matter what religion a person is following, he will go thru Jesus to get to heaven. If he was not speaking figuratively, what happens to Adam, Moses, Joshua, David, Ruth, etc? They never even knew Jesus' teachings, much less Jesus himself. Are you really ready to keep all these people out of heaven by your literal reading?

You have to realize that the law of Salvation through Jesus was not in place at the time of Adam, Moses, Joshua, David, Ruth, etc... Therefore, obviously, it was not essential to know Jesus, but to know God. Am I right? However, when Jesus spoke of himself being the way to heaven, that changed.

 

[Bushido216]

You're right, they WOULD have to have evolved.... UNLESS God decided not only to scramble their languages but also their ethnicity at the Tower of Babel. That's just a thought... Also, the Bible does not mention God creating more people, but does that necessarily mean that he didn't?

Does it say anything about ethnicity in the Babel myth? As well, 99.99999999999% of Bible literalists say that Adam & Eve were the first two and the only two God created.

 

[FireFort23]

Does it say anything about ethnicity in the Babel myth? As well, 99.99999999999% of Bible literalists say that Adam & Eve were the first two and the only two God created.

I too happen to believe that God only created Adam & Eve, I was just illustrating a possibility.

And I could very well be wrong, but I don't recall the Bible mentioning much about ethnicity at all....

 

[Bushido216]

The contradictions abound.

 

[ThePhoenix]

And creationists call our interpretation absurd. Scrambled ethnicities at the tower of babel? Talk about flogging the text.

 

[orange]

This is very right, They are Brainwashed" by evolution.
Orange in Christ

 

[Bushido216]

Please stop this. My braincells cannot take the genocide you're committing on them.

 

[Dracil]

Please stop this. My braincells cannot take the genocide you're committing on them.

Cellocide? Or neuronocide?

 

[Bushido216]

Don't know...

Brain... loozing powur... need help...

 

[lucaspa]

Professional Creationist...

laff

Don't laugh. There are many of them. Hovind, Ham, Morris, Gish, Dembski, Wells, Johnson, Wilder-Smith, etc. They have no other source of income than promoting creationism. That makes them professional creationists.

 

[lucaspa]

You're really going to regret saying that if you get to heaven and find out you were wrong!

I'm not wrong. Or, if I am, then I'm going to regret "heaven" because it isn't going to be the pleasant place I trusted it to be.

You're right, they WOULD have to have evolved.... UNLESS God decided not only to scramble their languages but also their ethnicity at the Tower of Babel. That's just a thought... Also, the Bible does not mention God creating more people, but does that necessarily mean that he didn't?

So the Bible isn't true? After all, if the Bible doesn't contain the whole truth, then it is not "true", is it? If I am a witness at a murder trial and say John Smith was at the scence of the murder but fail to mention that Dave Jones was also there and is the one that shot the victim, then I didn't tell the truth, did I?

In your desperate attempt to save creationism, you have just called the Bible a liar. Nice work.

 

[lucaspa]

This is very right, They are Brainwashed" by evolution.
Orange in Christ

Orange, my OP asked you to explain how people are "brainwashed" by evolution. Any time.

 

[lucaspa]

You have to realize that the law of Salvation through Jesus was not in place at the time of Adam, Moses, Joshua, David, Ruth, etc... Therefore, obviously, it was not essential to know Jesus, but to know God. Am I right? However, when Jesus spoke of himself being the way to heaven, that changed.

1. I'm not sure you are right. The way you phrased it, there was no way to exempt anyone.
2. If you say that Jesus instituted the law of Salvation thru Jesis, then what happens to all the Amerindians, Africans, Asians, etc. who die before they ever hear about Jesus? According to you, then must go to Hell. So much for love and mercy when you condemn a person for not believing in Jesus when you've never heard of him.

Which is why I view the passage as an organization chart. Keeps God from being indicted for cruelty.

 

[orange]

About all evolutionists are brainwashed........

 

[lucaspa]

About all evolutionists are brainwashed........

Orange, the OP asked how evolutionists are brainwashed. Repeating that they are brainwashed again and again does not mean they are. It is simply the technique Goebbels called "the big lie". Repeat something often enough so that people believe it. We've known for a long time that this is not right.

How are evolutionists brainwashed?