Boycotting "Hollywierd"

[CoHehir]

My concern is this:

On March 22-23, thousands of protestors marched all over the world against the war in Iraq. They protested Bush, they protested Republicans, they protested the troops (yes, many protested the troops. I heard a woman actually call the American and British troops war criminals).

16 December 1998 - Clinton began air attacks against Iraq - hollywood failed to protest

24 March - 20 June 1999 - Clinton led attack in Kosovo against Serbs - hollywood failed to protest

 

[CoHehir]

*Comment edited out for flaming*

 

 

[mjiracek]

yeah why does hollywood get in a dither when it comes to war? and why do they get mad at our administration for fighting it? especially when it comes to saddam hussein. infact everything hitler did he did.

he persecutes jews.
invaded countries
killed his own people
kill christians.
was totalitarian
broke sanctions while amassing an illegal army.

the only difference be tween the two is that scale at which hitler did it. but does that make saddam ok?

 

[Aradia]

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." -- Thomas Jefferson

 

[Aradia]

mjiracek:

I know. I could tell. No hard feelings, though, I assure you.

Pray4Israel:

I wasn't calling right-wing conservatives "fascists", I was referring to "right-wing conservative fascists", where "right-wing conservative" modifies the noun "fascist", as opposed to "fascist" describing "right-wing conservatives".

 

[Eudaimonist]

Today at 12:56 PM KeysforChrist said this in Post #7

No, just to the public Hollywood types that take advantage of their name to spout their venom at the POTUS and the rest of the leaders of our government. I would never shy away from supporting the arts of other musicians, playwrites, dancers, etc. The serious arts are worthy of support. But the atheists and anti-Americans in Hollywood will never see another dime of mine.

I'm curious, would you be willing to support an artist that's an atheist, but not in any way vocally anti-American?

 

[two feathers]

Today at 11:47 AM HazyRigby said this in Post #3

I suppose it must be said again: Being against the war does not make one UnAmerican. Disliking President Bush does not make one UnAmerican. And refusing to see a Susan Sarandon movie because she's against a war is about as intelligent as refusing to read something by Oscar Wilde because he was homosexual.

A person's political views do not determine the quality of his or her art.

And just a question: have you ever been to Hollywood? Do you personally know the politcal views of every person there? If you don't, then you have no right to stereotype an entire group of people based on your biased--and wrong--views. How are you any better than any of the stars you mentioned? Because you agree with yourself?

Well said, Hazy.

 

[calgal]

Today at 04:34 PM CoHehir said this in Post #24

I once heard someone say:

"Ya know, some people say: ' conservatives are evil,' and others: 'liberals are stupid.' Well, I say: 'liberals are stupid and evil.'"

"If you are conservative at 20, you have no heart and if you are liberal at 40, you have no brain"

I would rather be a heartless conservative than a brainless liberal anyday!

 

[calgal]

Today at 07:44 PM two feathers said this in Post #31



Well said, Hazy.

Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins frankly have the right to speak but others have the right to react to the words spoken. The Dixie Chicks COULD speak out BUT their former fans do have the right to decide to no longer listen to their music, attend their concerts and buy their CD's. The market will decide which views it validates.

 

[CoHehir]

I attended two weekends ago a "Freedom Rally for America" to show support to our troops, our President and our leaders on this noble war in Iraq against the evil dictator!

There were over 20,000 at the one I attended and there have been several of these rallies in cities everywhere... wanna know how often they make it to the news?  Never.

I know. That really cheeses me off. Keep up the rallies.

 

I'm curious, would you be willing to support an artist that's an atheist, but not in any way vocally anti-American?

That really depends. Are they shooting their mouth off, working against my beliefs? Then probably not. But, when you speak of art, I probably would not buy it anyways, since it is all mostly post-modern junk.

 

[HazyRigby]

Today at 08:10 PM calgal said this in Post #33
Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins frankly have the right to speak but others have the right to react to the words spoken. The Dixie Chicks COULD speak out BUT their former fans do have the right to decide to no longer listen to their music, attend their concerts and buy their CD's. The market will decide which views it validates.

If I only listened to the music or read the books of artists with which I agree, I would hardly listen to and read anything. If you have such a strong need to have your views validated by the world around you, I would question your dedication to your opinions.

In other words, if you stop listening to the DIXIE CHICKS because of their politics--perhaps the least political musical force since, say, Debbie Gibson--then you never really liked their music anyway. You liked their image--and what it told you about yourself.

P4I said--

Put me on the list of boycotting people that mock our freedom and disrespect our leaders.

Can you explain to me how being against a government action is mocking our freedom? Isn't THAT what our predecessors fought and died for--our right to disagree?

And yes, I will stereotype Hollywood. I doubt very few actors/actresses have a faith in God. I would guess that most of them are atheists, which is nothing but a cover for self-worship.

Well, ah...oh, skip it. If you understand atheism that little, then why should I bother? Oh, wait. Please explain to me why self-worship is bad. That should cover it.

 

[CoHehir]

Tell me how a self-worshipping person deals in a relationship. . .any relationship. . .with any other creature. . .or any object. . . or. . .oh, geez.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Where are you getting this self-worship nonsense? "Atheism" minimally denotes a lack of belief in deity, nothing more. Are you equivocating self-esteem or self-regard with worship?

 

[CoHehir]

No, someone had asked what is wrong with self worship. I responded to that in a cool, and somewhat humorous, manner. Let's turn the cooler on here.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Ah. <Grabs sweater>

 

[CoHehir]

That's what I'm talking about. . .now. . .I still don't like Susan Sarandon. . .just because. . .she seems mean. . .

 

[KeysforChrist]

Today at 12:01 PM Doubting Thomas said this in Post #37

Where are you getting this self-worship nonsense? "Atheism" minimally denotes a lack of belief in deity, nothing more. Are you equivocating self-esteem or self-regard with worship?

I said that atheists are self-worshippers.&nbsp; God made us to worship something or someone.&nbsp; If you aren't worshipping God, you are worshipping something else, and the atheists want to be in control of everything, so that would be worship of the self.

Sorry, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.&nbsp; If you aren't worshipping God, then you are worshipping something somewhere, with yourself as the center of the mark.

And if you need some examples of self-worship or worship of idols, etc I'll be happy to lay them out for you.&nbsp; But really, all you need to do is look at your checkbook.&nbsp; How much money did you spend on...?&nbsp;

 

[KeysforChrist]

Yesterday at 04:15 PM Aradia said this in Post #14

"Was he convicted of snorting coke? I must have missed that. M"

Of course not. Rich daddy got it all cleared up for him. He was, however, arrested for possession in.... mid-70s, if I remember correctly. I'd have to re-check. Bush, jr has done some Not Nice Things(tm) in his day. In fact, he's done some downright Bad Things(tm).

Yeah, and you're perfect!&nbsp; Congratulations.&nbsp; We're all sinners.&nbsp; Bush partied when he was younger.&nbsp; We're talking about something from the 70's?&nbsp; You are REALLY reaching.&nbsp; Why don't we get started on Clinton then, which is more recent.&nbsp; Anyone prefer oral sex in the oval office, and then lie about it.&nbsp; I think he's still in denial about it.&nbsp; But that's ok, because it's not that big a deal, right?

Eminem is slime.&nbsp; If you can find me an entire album of his lyrics that doesn't contain a tone of 4 letter words I'd be happy to listen to your point.&nbsp; But he hates his mother, homosexuals, etc, etc, etc.&nbsp; This guy is flat out evil, and a coward at that.&nbsp; How hard is it to come up with this garbage anyway?

I just love the liberal left.&nbsp; Everything is alright with you in your book.&nbsp; Let's fill up the government with programs, so I can stay at home and get a check every month from Uncle Sam without ever lifting a finger.&nbsp; Isn't that your unstated goal?&nbsp; I know Tom Daschle would run on that platform - how bouts you?

Sorry, but the Democrats have turned into appeasing socialists.&nbsp; PC'ing the world to death through programs and tolerance.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Today at 07:11 PM Pray4Isrel said this in Post #43

Not too cold... I live here in Florida, and us Floridians own jackets but that's about all when it comes to chilly weather

I grew up in ND and remember a conversation a few of us were having one day at a friend's.&nbsp; Someone asked where everyone planned to live after high school/college.&nbsp;

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One guy said, "South."

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"How far south?"

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He pointed to the cord to the block heater on his car and said, "Far enough that when I pull into a full service gas station, the attendant will ask where I bought the electric car."

 

[KeysforChrist]

Yesterday at 09:25 PM Eudaimonist said this in Post #30



I'm curious, would you be willing to support an artist that's an atheist, but not in any way vocally&nbsp;anti-American?

If they kept their yapper shut and didn't bash the President and the war effort I probably wouldn't even know if they were an atheist or not.&nbsp; Generally speaking I tend to support Christian musicians for the most part.&nbsp; My entertainment tastes, personally speaking stick to Praise &amp; Worship music for the most part.&nbsp; An occassional classical piece, but P&amp;W all the time baby.

However, I wouldn't NOT support someone simply because of their atheist beliefs.&nbsp; I'm just not in the business of supporting someone who intentionally goes out of their way to mock the President and call him and the government all sorts of names.

And just for the record.&nbsp; I was in favor of Clinton, whenever he used military action, so the party of the President has nothing to do with my unwavering support for the defense of freedom and the American way.