Book Bannings

[Archivist]

If that means you get to force people to follow your will and force them to accept books in libraries they might not want, it doesn't seem the US constitution is all that good now does it?

In my opinion the US Constitution provides for the best system of government in the world. You are free to disagree.

I think for you it is a sacred belief.

How dare you. See the Christian symbol? My only sacred belief is in God Almighty.

Certaintly you aren't willing to entertain an understanding of things that goes beyond the US and if you are willing to completely submit yourself to the constitution and think of no other system beyond that. it is in effect sacred to you.

Again, try reading the OP. It is based on a situation that happened in the US, so the US Constitution is relevent.

That's a bad rule in my opinion and I've argued as much. Your insistence that because it's the law, doesn't change it being a bad rule.

So the the First Amendment is a bad rule? Wrong. Restricting access to books naturally leads to the censorship of ideas.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

So the the First Amendment is a bad rule? Wrong. Restricting access to books naturally leads to the censorship of ideas.

And you consider it always bad to restrict ideas?

 

[Archivist]

And you consider it always bad to restrict ideas?

What ideas do you propose we restrict? How about equality? In the Central York situation (from the OP) the school board was all-white. The books they tried to ban were all by people of color. You don't have a problem with that?

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

For my argument it doesn't matter whether or not it is requested. My only point since the beginning has been if a library or other institution wants to ban a certain book, it should be able to. I've seen no compelling reason offered why they should be forced to accept something they don't want. I view local communities as worth more protecting than the wider US.

But I'm glad we agree that the US isn't sacred. It's a rather Godless nation which corrupts more than it edifies. Glad we agree.

All nations are Godless really.
Christ's kingdom is not from the world.
So um, maybe you should like idk have some more compassion? Because it seems (from just our brief interactions) that you don’t have much.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

What ideas do you propose we restrict? How about equality? In the Central York situation (from the OP) the school board was all-white. The books they tried to ban were all by people of color. You don't have a problem with that?

So you now agree with the principle we can restrict ideas in the public arena if we find them unacceptable?

 

[Archivist]

So you now agree with the principle we can restrict ideas in the public arena if we find them unacceptable?

I never said that.

Now, answer my question.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I never said that.

Now, answer my question.

Edit: Misread your original post so I'll rephrase my question.

No, hold on. You want to force groups you view as racist/fascists/Nazis/White Conservatives to be unable to regulate the books of libraries they are in control of. This implies a standard in which white racists are unable to exercise authority. Do you believe in freedom to express ideas or do you believe some ideas and people necessarily must be restricted?

 

[Archivist]

Edit: Misread your original post so I'll rephrase my question.

No, hold on. You want to force groups you view as racist/fascists/Nazis/White Conservatives to be unable to regulate the books of libraries they are in control of. This implies a standard in which white racists are unable to exercise authority. Do you believe in freedom to express ideas or do you believe some ideas and people necessarily must be restricted?

You still have not answered my question.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

Edit: Misread your original post so I'll rephrase my question.

No, hold on. You want to force groups you view as racist/fascists/Nazis/White Conservatives to be unable to regulate the books of libraries they are in control of. This implies a standard in which white racists are unable to exercise authority. Do you believe in freedom to express ideas or do you believe some ideas and people necessarily must be restricted?

Look up the Amish, Old Order Mennonites, and the FLDS in the US.
They do exactly what you want.
They ban books and are cloistered Christian communities.
Though the FLDS is Mormon and being Christian is debatable.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

Edit: Misread your original post so I'll rephrase my question.

No, hold on. You want to force groups you view as racist/fascists/Nazis/White Conservatives to be unable to regulate the books of libraries they are in control of. This implies a standard in which white racists are unable to exercise authority. Do you believe in freedom to express ideas or do you believe some ideas and people necessarily must be restricted?

Bro. You fundamentally misunderstand Public Libraries.
Conservative communities don’t request these books therefore we don’t order them.
We only order books that are requested because there is a limited budget.
Communities themselves pick what books they want. And once it’s there, it never leaves. Because someone asked for it.
Its a bit more complicated but that it in a nutshell.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Look up the Amish, Old Order Mennonites, and the FLDS in the US.
They do exactly what you want.
They ban books and are cloistered Christian communities.
Though the FLDS is Mormon and being Christian is debatable.

What's wrong with the Amish? They have stronger faith communities the rest of the Churches in America and unlike the mainline denominations are actually growing, having families and decent lives. Shouldn't we seek to emulate them?

Mormons are not Christian but as a means of holding their community together I see nothing wrong with their practice so long as people are allowed to leave.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

What's wrong with the Amish? They have stronger faith communities the rest of the Churches in America and unlike the mainline denominations are actually growing, having families and decent lives. Shouldn't we seek to emulate them?

Mormons are not Christian but as a means of holding their community together I see nothing wrong with their practice so long as people are allowed to leave.

NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THE AMISH.
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

What's wrong with the Amish? They have stronger faith communities the rest of the Churches in America and unlike the mainline denominations are actually growing, having families and decent lives. Shouldn't we seek to emulate them?

Mormons are not Christian but as a means of holding their community together I see nothing wrong with their practice so long as people are allowed to leave.

Ugh sorry it’s getting late here.
Look, I was just making suggestions.
And I agree. As long as ppl are allowed to leave, it’s mighty fine with me.

 

[SamanthaAnastasia]

What's wrong with the Amish? They have stronger faith communities the rest of the Churches in America and unlike the mainline denominations are actually growing, having families and decent lives. Shouldn't we seek to emulate them?

Mormons are not Christian but as a means of holding their community together I see nothing wrong with their practice so long as people are allowed to leave.

Anyways I gotta go to sleep it’s like 3am and I’m getting loopy I’m like getting all caps on you which is like rude again I’m sorry good night lol

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THE AMISH.
STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH

So why bring them up then? They don't exactly help you as an example. If the banning of certain information in Amish communities leads to healthier and happier communities, why do you want a system which encourages the opposite in the wider public?

 

[Archivist]

So why bring them up then? They don't exactly help you as an example. If the banning of certain information in Amish communities leads to healthier and happier communities, why do you want a system which encourages the opposite in the wider public?

Still waiting for an answer from you.

 

[Archivist]

Anyways I gotta go to sleep it’s like 3am and I’m getting loopy I’m like getting all caps on you which is like rude again I’m sorry good night lol

Goodnight!

 

[Archivist]

No, hold on. You want to force groups you view as racist/fascists/Nazis/White Conservatives to be unable to regulate the books of libraries they are in control of. This implies a standard in which white racists are unable to exercise authority. Do you believe in freedom to express ideas or do you believe some ideas and people necessarily must be restricted?

You stopped responding to the thread and never answered the question I asked you, but I will respond to your question, although I answered it earlier. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. A school board may not violate a student’s First Amendment rights except in very limited circumstances.

 

[rjs330]

We have seen an increase in the efforts by some to ban books in school and public libraries. These current efforts are largely led by conservatives who want to remove books that address such issues as LGBTQ and race.

The Central York School District banned such books as “Cece Loves Science” and “I am Rose Parks.” Fortunately public outcry led the school board to overturn its decision. The books are now back on the shelves.

The Nazis were famous for banning and burning books. Why do these parents want to follow in their footsteps?

US conservatives linked to rich donors wage campaign to ban books from schools | US news | The Guardian

How Students Fought a Book Ban and Won, for Now

Some books shouldn't be in schools. How on earth says all books should be allowed for all children to read and have access to.

It is wise to ban some books from kids.

 

[Archivist]

Some books shouldn't be in schools. How on earth says all books should be allowed for all children to read and have access to.

It is wise to ban some books from kids.

And if you read the thread—apparently you did not—no one ever said that ALL books should be allowed for ALL children to read.