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I keep coming across this quote most on pro-gun websites supposedly made by Hitler:

"To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens" -Adolf Hitler

Is there anyone here that can provide a legitimate source for this quote? If not, are the gun nuts making things up? Do they have to rely on lies to make their point?
 
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I keep coming across this quote most on pro-gun websites supposedly made by Hitler:

"To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens" -Adolf Hitler

Is there anyone here that can provide a legitimate source for this quote? If not, are the gun nuts making things up? Do they have to rely on lies to make their point?

Can you provide a link to a specific website and that specific Hitler quote? Thanks.
 
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Can you provide a link to a specific website and that specific Hitler quote? Thanks.

Some folks here are using it in their signature line. I'm also seeing it being tweeted a lot. If you google the quote you'll see all the posters people have made using it.
 
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/disarm.asp

A book called Hitler's Table Talk, 1941-1944: Secret Conversations says Hitler said the following:

The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police.
 
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This might be of interest....

HITLER AND GUN CONTROL -History brought back to chilling light by the Independent Institute’s Stephen Halbrook.

Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and “Enemies of the State” ~By Stephen P. Halbrook

One of the issues that liberals and gun control advocates are most loath to discuss is how heavily and effectively totalitarians and mass murderers have relied upon gun registration and other firearms controls to round up “enemies of the state.” Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and Mussolini all seized upon gun laws to punish, incarcerate, and even exterminate their opponents, while permitting their own evil cliques to expand and strengthen the state and party monopolies on gun ownership.

Stephen P. Halbrook, an attorney and Research Fellow with the Independent Institute in California, has written a remarkably well-documented analysis of how Adolf Hitler and his Nazi henchmen in the government made private, “unauthorized” gun ownership a capital crime, while using registration records to effectively turn ordinary Germans into instant criminals.

Halbrook’s book took 15 years to research and write, and he relied on German archivists and translators to assist him in plowing through original records and files from 1920s, ’30s, and ’40s Germany. The result is Gun Control in the Third Reich, a fascinating, readable, informative and important book.

http://spectator.org/articles/63424/hitler-and-gun-control
 
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This might also be of interest:

How the Nazis Used Gun Control

The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil.

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not. In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group. In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook
 
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"In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

--Stephen P. Halbrook

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook
 
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He clearly didn't need to disarm the people of France or Belgium before he blitzkrieged his way in.

Yeah, in the first place you can't disarm another country before you invade it, you have to do it afterwards. What Hitler then tried to do was disarm 'inferior races' in the countries he conquered but for Germans it was easier to get a gun under Hitler, not harder.
 
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Yeah, in the first place you can't disarm another country before you invade it, you have to do it afterwards. What Hitler then tried to do was disarm 'inferior races' in the countries he conquered but for Germans it was easier to get a gun under Hitler, not harder.

read the articles in the links posted in posts #8 and 9, and read post #10.

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~George Santayana
 
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It seems that private gun ownership is the frequent target

It was so with the NAZI's (Nationalsocializt) movement

It was followed by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic

And is found in more palatable socialistic nations today such as Denmark etc.

As a Libertarian, I'm not in favor of this personal freedom being taken. It is in our constitution second only to free speech.
 
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As a Libertarian, I'm not in favor of this personal freedom being taken. It is in our constitution second only to free speech.
I agree. It's sad that so many have been led to think that a freedom is to be allowed only if it is used responsibly by everyone. That is contrary to the whole idea of freedom and, what is more, the political left doesn't adhere to its own thinking when it comes to other acts. They will, for instance, advocate for unfettered drug use even though it can easily be shown that many users endanger the lives of other people when they're high. But let the issue be guns or speech, and they'll insist that because some people, availing themselves of their rights, might so much as offend the sensibilities of bystanders, liberty is to be denied!
 
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"In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.”

--Stephen P. Halbrook

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

You realize the gun registration was something required in the Weimar Republic not by the Nazis. This was in keeping with the Treaty of Versailles. By 1938 the Nazis had removed much of the restrictions on gun ownership. Hand guns had to be registered but not rifles or ammunition. The age for gun ownership was lowered. Permits only had to be renewed every third year, rather than every year as had previously been the case. Larger groups of people were exempted from even these requirements. But yes, Jews were not allowed to carry arms or even work in factories where they were produced. They couldn't even own knifes. This had little to do with gun control, as this time Jews were being deprived of all their rights.

I just found a great article that documents when the anti-gun control people first began to connect gun control with fascism. It seems that there was a proposal to ban all handguns in the Chicago area in the 1980's. Opponents began campaigning in Skokie, a largely Jewish suburb of Chicago with lots of holocaust survivors. They reminded residence that Jews were disarmed before they were sent to the Concentration Camps. It was falsely claimed that the 1968 gun control laws were lifted from Nazi legislation. It took off from there and since then there have been more and more ludicrous claims that Hitler supported strict gun controls when in fact he lifted many of the restrictions except when it came to Jews. The Anti-Defamation League as this to say about that:

http://www.adl.org/press-center/pre...dl-says-nazi-analogies-have.html#.VoAYD7YrLIU
 
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It seems that private gun ownership is the frequent target

It was so with the NAZI's (Nationalsocializt) movement

Except it turns out this is all a lie. The Nazis had far fewer restrictions on gun ownership than did the Wiemar Republic. In the case of the Soviet Union, the situation is a bit more complicated as Stalin tried to take away weapons from peasants whose farms were being collectivized in 1929.
 
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You realize the gun registration was something required in the Weimar Republic not by the Nazis.
I don't quite get the spirited defense of Hitler's gun confiscation policies that you're presenting here. The idea of gun registration was not the key point there but the confiscation of them as the government decided which people couldn't be trusted with them--exactly the same reasoning we see in operation in this country at present. What's more, the Versailles Treaty in no way controls or even relates to the debate in our society at the present.
 
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read the articles in the links posted in posts #8 and 9, and read post #10.

Might be more persuasive if it was coming from an actual historian publishing peer-reviewed articles instead of an attorney who makes his living fighting gun control laws.
 
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I don't quite get the spirited defense of Hitler's gun confiscation policies that you're presenting here.

How did I defend gun confiscation policies? The truth is that gun ownership expanded under Hitler.
 
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