Bleach Rankings

[solarwave]

Hey,

So how would you rank the Captains and Espada (and anyone else) in bleach by their power?

I'll give mine once someone has replied

Solarwave

 

[Penumbra]

Ok I'll play.

All of the Espada are pretty weak. The only strong shinigami (or former shinigami) are Aizen (by far), the old guy captain of the first squad, Isshin, Gin, Ichigo, and sort of Urahara (in wisdom more than strength).

-Lyn

 

[solarwave]

How far have you got with Bleach? For me I'm up to date with the anime but I dont read the manga. So if anyone else hasn't got that far you might not want to read my posts

If Ichigo is strong then wouldn't that mean the top 4 Espada would be strong too? Depends how you define strong I suppose. The ones you named I would say are stronger than strong (though I havn't seen much of Gin).

This is how I would rank them:

Yamamoto Genryuusai
Aizen Sousuke
Ichigo (Super Hollow Form)
Unohana Retsu
Ukitate Jyuushiro
Kyouraku Shunsui
Yammy
Stark
Ulquiorra Schiffer (Second Release)
Barragan Luisenbarn
Halibel
Ulquiorra Schiffer
Ichigo (Hollow Mask)
Kuchiki Byakuya
Ichimaru Gin
Soi Fong
Hitsugaya Toushirou
Zaraki Kenpachi
Nnoitra Jiruga
Tousen Kaname
Grimmjow Jeagerjacques
Ichigo
Komamura Sajin
Kurotshuchi Mayuri
Zommari Leroux
Szayel Aporro Granz
Renji
Ishida
Chad
Rukia
Aaroniero Arruruerie

What do you think? Agree/disagree?

 

[Penumbra]

How far have you got with Bleach? For me I'm up to date with the anime but I dont read the manga. So if anyone else hasn't got that far you might not want to read my posts

If Ichigo is strong then wouldn't that mean the top 4 Espada would be strong too? Depends how you define strong I suppose. The ones you named I would say are stronger than strong (though I havn't seen much of Gin).

I'm up to date with the manga, and the manga is significantly further ahead of the anime.

The Espada are "strong" but are nothing compared to the top guys. When I list Ichigo, I include all his forms.

This is how I would rank them:

Yamamoto Genryuusai
Aizen Sousuke
Ichigo (Super Hollow Form)
Unohana Retsu
Ukitate Jyuushiro
Kyouraku Shunsui
Yammy
Stark
Ulquiorra Schiffer (Second Release)
Barragan Luisenbarn
Halibel
Ulquiorra Schiffer
Ichigo (Hollow Mask)
Kuchiki Byakuya
Ichimaru Gin
Soi Fong
Hitsugaya Toushirou
Zaraki Kenpachi
Nnoitra Jiruga
Tousen Kaname
Grimmjow Jeagerjacques
Ichigo
Komamura Sajin
Kurotshuchi Mayuri
Zommari Leroux
Szayel Aporro Granz
Renji
Ishida
Chad
Rukia
Aaroniero Arruruerie

What do you think? Agree/disagree?

That's quite a detailed list you have there.

Based on where the anime is at, it looks pretty reasonable, though ranking them by such detail and linearity seems a bit excessive considering that the creator isn't even entirely consistent with the strength he gives his characters and things change constantly. When I saw the thread title I figured it would be ranking them by how much one likes them, which makes more sense to me than ranking them by power, but figured that since I was here I'd rank them as you wished.

I won't give any spoilers, other than to say you'll see Aizen fight a lot (and he's ridiculous), and you'll see Gin and Yamamoto fight certain opponents as well. Gin will probably move up way higher on your list.

-Lyn

 

[solarwave]

That's quite a detailed list you have there.

Based on where the anime is at, it looks pretty reasonable, though ranking them by such detail and linearity seems a bit excessive considering that the creator isn't even entirely consistent with the strength he gives his characters and things change constantly. When I saw the thread title I figured it would be ranking them by how much one likes them, which makes more sense to me than ranking them by power, but figured that since I was here I'd rank them as you wished.

What can I say, I had a bit of spare time on my hands so I thought I would attempt it lol. You can say which ones you prefer if you wish, I don't really mind.

I won't give any spoilers, other than to say you'll see Aizen fight a lot (and he's ridiculous), and you'll see Gin and Yamamoto fight certain opponents as well. Gin will probably move up way higher on your list.

Cool, I assumed Gin and Tousen are probably actually stronger than what they seem to be at the moment. It will be good to see the stronger people fight. By the way have you seen all the captain's bankai where you are?

 

[Penumbra]

What can I say, I had a bit of spare time on my hands so I thought I would attempt it lol. You can say which ones you prefer if you wish, I don't really mind.

I basically said my list, or at least a short list of the top characters. Some people haven't shown all of their abilities, but the top people seem pretty obvious: Aizen, Yamamoto, Ichigo, Isshin, etc. Others like Gin, Urahara, are pretty near the top too. Some of the other top captains are strong but don't seem to be a match for someone like Aizen.

At the point I'm at in the manga, the number of important characters seems to have dropped significantly.

Cool, I assumed Gin and Tousen are probably actually stronger than what they seem to be at the moment. It will be good to see the stronger people fight. By the way have you seen all the captain's bankai where you are?

Not all of the bankai have been revealed.

Aizen hasn't used any sort of bankai yet, but has shown something much greater.

Yamamoto apparently hasn't used his bankai yet even though at one point he does fight all-out. Same with Urahara, he fights all-out but doesn't use bankai.

Shinji reveals a pretty good shikai but not a bankai, again, even though he fights with everything he's got.

Unohana hasn't revealed her bankai, and neither has Ukitake. Kenpachi doesn't have a bankai.

Probably the only bankai I know about that you don't know is Gin's. He shows a pretty awesome bankai. But it's still hard to tell how strong Gin really is. He was a genius in shinigami school where he finished in one year and his bankai is pretty epic.

-Lyn

 

[Mankin]

The espada rankings appear to be slightly flawed but for the most part I agree with your list solar.

I would say Ulq is definitely tougher than Harribel especially when you consider he has a second ressurrection.

Yamamoto imo is the strongest character in all of Bleach. Even Aizen realizes he can't outmatch Yamamoto.

Also you should read the manga solar. It's getting pretty exciting let's just say.

 

[Penumbra]

I would say Ulq is definitely tougher than Harribel especially when you consider he has a second ressurrection.

My vote for toughest (and most interesting) Espada would be Ulq.

Their numbers aren't necessarily correct because not all of them choose to display all of their power to each other and attain the best rank for themselves as possible (like Ulq).

Yamamoto imo is the strongest character in all of Bleach. Even Aizen realizes he can't outmatch Yamamoto.

Are you completely caught up with the manga? (Minor manga spoiler ahead)

Aizen said that Yamamoto's power might even exceed his own (hence his use of that arrancar to help him). But then Aizen changed, so I don't think they even compare anymore in terms of strength.

-Lyn

 

[Mankin]

My vote for toughest (and most interesting) Espada would be Ulq.

Their numbers aren't necessarily correct because not all of them choose to display all of their power to each other and attain the best rank for themselves as possible (like Ulq).

Are you completely caught up with the manga? (Minor manga spoiler ahead)

Aizen said that Yamamoto's power might even exceed his own (hence his use of that arrancar to help him). But then Aizen changed, so I don't think they even compare anymore in terms of strength.

-Lyn

Yes I am caught up with the manga. Well that is true but we haven't seen Yamamoto's bankai yet. We've seen how he can school just about everyone merely using his shikai and his bare fists.

The new Aizen form might be stronger than the ole captain but who's to know.

It seems like his new form is nothing more than raw power though. It lacks the finesse of his shikai.

One thing we can say, Ichigo vs Aizen rematch will be quite epic.

 

[solarwave]

Penumbra: I assume you've also seen Kyouraku Shunsui bankia then? Thats another I havn't seen yet.

It would seem that ichigo has come on quite alot if he is a match for Aizen now.

Which others of the Espada would you say are misranked other than Ulq?

Mankin: I could read the manga (its online isn't it?) but I'll catch up with the anime eventually so it doesn't make much difference. Is it one every week?

 

[Mankin]

Penumbra: I assume you've also seen Kyouraku Shunsui bankia then? Thats another I havn't seen yet.

It would seem that ichigo has come on quite alot if he is a match for Aizen now.

Which others of the Espada would you say are misranked other than Ulq?

Mankin: I could read the manga (its online isn't it?) but I'll catch up with the anime eventually so it doesn't make much difference. Is it one every week?

Yup it's one every week. And it is online.

Well that is true about the anime but it may soon enter fillers.

I'd say Barrangan is tougher than Stark. Sure Stark can fire a lot of ceroes but Barrangan is a walking manifestation of death.

 

[Penumbra]

Yes I am caught up with the manga. Well that is true but we haven't seen Yamamoto's bankai yet. We've seen how he can school just about everyone merely using his shikai and his bare fists.

The new Aizen form might be stronger than the ole captain but who's to know.

It seems like his new form is nothing more than raw power though. It lacks the finesse of his shikai.

One thing we can say, Ichigo vs Aizen rematch will be quite epic.

Yes the Ichigo/Aizen match should be good. I imagine that Aizen will end up having to use more than just raw power, otherwise it would be a pretty dull fight. So I expect some neat moves.

As for the bankai thing, I'll phrase this in such a way to leave out names so I don't spoil things for non manga readers. It seems that the creator of the series has had to sacrifice some consistency for dramatic effect. In the recent battle, so many shinigami fought with everything they had, and lost, without ever using their bankai. I mean, that one guy's first idea was to sacrifice himself and many others in order to beat his opponent. If he was confident enough in his own strength and his bankai, it wouldn't make sense to resort to such a desperate tactic like that. You only do that sort of thing against a huge threat that you can't beat. If the creator had everyone show their bankais, then it would have totally ruined the dramatic flow of the battle, and none of them would have been given the time they deserved. Plus he'd be using up so much of his material at once.

It would be cool to see some of them regroup and try again with bankais before Ichigo gets involved.

Penumbra: I assume you've also seen Kyouraku Shunsui bankia then? Thats another I havn't seen yet.

Oh. Yes, his has been revealed. I only have a ballpark concept of where the anime is at, so I had thought it had been shown in the anime.

Edit: Actually I'm not sure whether what he revealed was his shikai or bankai. Sometimes it's unclear to me.

It would seem that ichigo has come on quite alot if he is a match for Aizen now.

Which others of the Espada would you say are misranked other than Ulq?

Mankin: I could read the manga (its online isn't it?) but I'll catch up with the anime eventually so it doesn't make much difference. Is it one every week?

Sadly, Ichigo is not a match yet. But he's working on it. That's what main characters do- they aren't strong enough but then they become strong enough, so somehow they manage to surpass captains that are many centuries old in a few months.

I'd say the Espada are ranked ok except for Ulq. Yammy has kind of a weird ranking system, but I don't know if the anime is there yet so....

 

[Mankin]

Yes the Ichigo/Aizen match should be good. I imagine that Aizen will end up having to use more than just raw power, otherwise it would be a pretty dull fight. So I expect some neat moves.

As for the bankai thing, I'll phrase this in such a way to leave out names so I don't spoil things for non manga readers. It seems that the creator of the series has had to sacrifice some consistency for dramatic effect. In the recent battle, so many shinigami fought with everything they had, and lost, without ever using their bankai. I mean, that one guy's first idea was to sacrifice himself and many others in order to beat his opponent. If he was confident enough in his own strength and his bankai, it wouldn't make sense to resort to such a desperate tactic like that. You only do that sort of thing against a huge threat that you can't beat. If the creator had everyone show their bankais, then it would have totally ruined the dramatic flow of the battle, and none of them would have been given the time they deserved. Plus he'd be using up so much of his material at once.

It would be cool to see some of them regroup and try again with bankais before Ichigo gets involved.

That is true. Of course it's also possible Kubo just couldn't think of a bankai at the time which is understandable. He's already created a lot of shikais, releases, bankais, special powers, etc.

Oh. Yes, his has been revealed. I only have a ballpark concept of where the anime is at, so I had thought it had been shown in the anime.


Sadly, Ichigo is not a match yet. But he's working on it. That's what main characters do- they aren't strong enough but then they become strong enough, so somehow they manage to surpass captains that are many centuries old in a few months.

I'd say the Espada are ranked ok except for Ulq. Yammy has kind of a weird ranking system, but I don't know if the anime is there yet so....

Yammy seemed a bit weaker than the other espadas which makes me doubt why he's the 0 espada.

Ichigo's going through his training program which should be quite interesting. Can't wait for next week's chapter(trying to avoid spoilers).

 

[Penumbra]

That is true. Of course it's also possible Kubo just couldn't think of a bankai at the time which is understandable. He's already created a lot of shikais, releases, bankais, special powers, etc.

That might be the case. He doesn't plan out everything far ahead. When he started the series, he didn't even think of the whole soul society structure yet, which has become basically the key plot. But he makes up for it with the best manga drawing style I've seen and excellent delivery of dramatic moments in battle.

I'd imagine if he's ever going to reveal Yamamoto's bankai, he probably already has that one in mind. Maybe not for people like Shinji or Urahara, though.

Yammy seemed a bit weaker than the other espadas which makes me doubt why he's the 0 espada.

He's kind of like the kenpachi of the group. In terms of pure strength he might be best, but I'm sure Ulq could have dispatched of him.

Ichigo's going through his training program which should be quite interesting. Can't wait for next week's chapter(trying to avoid spoilers).

I'm more interested in plot. I want to see precisely what Aizen's plan is and how he goes through with it and I want to see what's in Gin's mind.

As for battle, of course I eventually want to see Ichigo fight Aizen, and I also want to see Gin fight again, as well as Yamamoto's bankai if he ever shows it.

-Lyn

 

[solarwave]

To be honst I was sort of hoping that it would be the end of Bleach soon, just because I think I might kill myself if there is another filler.... sadly I think that might happen anyway.

Well where the anime is that the crazy arrancar with the massive hollow has just jumped out and stabbed Ukitate.

It does sound quite strange that someone would rather die than attempt a win with bankai lol

 

[Penumbra]

To be honst I was sort of hoping that it would be the end of Bleach soon, just because I think I might kill myself if there is another filler.... sadly I think that might happen anyway.

Well where the anime is that the crazy arrancar with the massive hollow has just jumped out and stabbed Ukitate.

It does sound quite strange that someone would rather die than attempt a win with bankai lol

For the most part, the manga lacks filler. The anime has filler because animes naturally tend to catch up to the manga that they draw material from, so they have to either stop showing new episodes for quite a while or they have to make up side material.

I don't like filler either so I don't watch most of these sorts of anime.

I would like to see bleach end when it's time is up rather than trying to go for as long as it possibly can.

-Lyn