Blameless in the Law

[Studyman]

Seriously?
You believe that someone who has been born again, received eternal life from Jesus, been reconciled to God by his death, has every spiritual blessing in Christ and the Holy Spirit, who guarantees our inheritance, will be rejected by God for wearing clothes with mixed fabrics, not rising in the presence of their elders, eating ham and all the other instructions written in Leviticus?

That's not the point Jesus was making. The point HE was making is there will be "many" people on "that day" (judgment day) who call Jesus their Savior, who are convinced they were "born again", led to believe they had already received eternal life and had the spirit of Christ in them.

BUT THEY DIDN'T!!!!

Even though they "believed" they were HIS people, and they gave Jesus the credit for everything they did, they were not His Children. And Jesus, in HIS wisdom and great mercy, tells us why. They lived in lawlessness. I posted His Word's for your consideration.

The Bible is completely filled with examples of this behavior among religious men. Paul tells us these examples were written for "our admonition" so that we would not lust after the same thing they lusted after (Rebellion against God's Instructions). And they were written so that those religious men who think they stand, should take heed, lest they fall.

The one thing all these examples of religious men in the Bible had in common, is the rejection of much of God's Commandments, and the belief that it didn't matter to salvation.

GOD saves us, not any actions of our own.

That is a teaching from "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord to be true. But Jesus Himself said;

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matt. 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

So here I am again, having to choose between the religious doctrines of the religions of the land that you are convinced of, and the Actions Jesus Himself said I must "DO" in order to be saved. One of you is deceived here. I going to place my Faith in the Word's of Jesus.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

A person could be circumcised, keep the law flawlessly and yet rejected Jesus - do you think they will be saved?

So let me see if I got your question right. The Bible says Jesus was the God who created everything, including the Law, "for our sake's no doubt". And according to the Holy scriptures, "ALL" those who walked in God's Law blameless, knew Jesus when HE came. And Peter said God gives His Holy Spirit to those who obey God. And Jesus said Him and His Father are One.

So how can a man keep the Law blameless, and still reject the God who created it? The First and Greatest Commandment in the Law is to Love God with all your heart. How can a man Love God and Reject God at the same time?

I don't think you really thought out that question.

And if you agree that only Jesus can save (good) are you saying that people have to keep the law to keep their salvation?

I am only posting and believing what the Spirit of Christ had written for instruction in righteousness. We have come full circle again. I will let Jesus Himself answer your question.

Matt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Studyman]

The Word which became flesh is Jesus, John 1:14.

Yes, the Word of God, the creator of "ALL" things, including the Law. "I am He" HE said. I and My Father are One, He said. That would mean it was HIM that spoke in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. The Sabbath is HIS, as HE said "I am Lord, even of the Sabbath Days.

This is the Christ of the Bible I am speaking about.

Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

My question was, what do you see as the main difference between Zacharias and the Pharisees according to the scriptures. Why did Zacharias know Jesus when HE came, but the High Priest and Pharisees didn't?
??
We don't know that Zechariah met Jesus, nor whether he recognized him as the Messiah.
If I remember correctly, you quoted from Isaiah just before speaking of Zechariah.
And some of the Pharisees believed in Jesus.

Luke 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.

41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

It is obvious that Zacharias and Elizabeth knew the Christ when He came. It is almost amusing the lengths you go to keep from discussing what the Holy scriptures say about Zecharias and Simeon, and Anna. And the glaring difference between them and the Scribes and the Pharisees who killed Jesus and Stoned Stephen to death.

I have been here before. I know from experience and the examples given for my admonition how this is going to play out. I do have hope and belief that God's Word does not return void, so maybe, someday, in the darkest corner of your house, you might consider some of the Scriptures I posted and their relevance to men.

Until then, may God bless you according to All His Promises.

 

[Strong in Him]

That's not the point Jesus was making. The point HE was making is there will be "many" people on "that day" (judgment day) who call Jesus their Savior, who are convinced they were "born again", led to believe they had already received eternal life and had the spirit of Christ in them.

BUT THEY DIDN'T!!!!

No, Jesus didn't say that.
He said "not everyone who says 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom."
Even though Paul says that no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit, it is possible to say "the Lord Jesus", or sing hymns about Jesus the Lord without really understanding what that means - and practicing it.

But no one can enter the Kingdom of God unless they are born again, John 3:3.
Jesus did not say "some of you believe you have been born again, but haven't." Nor did he say that keeping the law was a condition for being born again. And Jesus is the only one who can give eternal life. I don't think anyone is "led to believe it" - they either trust in Jesus, accept him and receive eternal life, or they don't.
Keeping the law does not give us eternal life, and can't save us either.

Even though they "believed" they were HIS people, and they gave Jesus the credit for everything they did, they were not His Children.

That's not what Jesus said.
That passage does not say that they "believed they were his children" but in fact weren't.

If someone has trusted in Jesus for salvation and received forgiveness, they have been born again. No one can be born again without the Holy Spirit, and no one who has not been born again can enter the Kingdom of God. It is also the Holy Spirit who assures us that we are God's children, Romans 8:16-17.
No Holy Spirit, no new birth, no entrance into the kingdom or assurance of being God's child.

We do not receive the Holy Spirit by keeping the law, but by trusting in Jesus and asking him to fill us with his Spirit.

And Jesus, in HIS wisdom and great mercy, tells us why. They lived in lawlessness. I posted His Word's for your consideration.

That's what I was asking you; are you saying that someone has to keep the law - and I mean all the laws in Leviticus - otherwise they are not known by Jesus?

The Bible is completely filled with examples of this behavior among religious men. Paul tells us these examples were written for "our admonition" so that we would not lust after the same thing they lusted after (Rebellion against God's Instructions). And they were written so that those religious men who think they stand, should take heed, lest they fall.

The "religious men" of Jesus' day, largely, did not recognise that he was the Messiah and the Son of God.
Why not? Because they believed the Messiah would be a particular kind of person - a military king who would rally Israel and declare war on the Romans. And they didn't believe that God could come in the flesh because he hadn't done it before.
They could only see their prejudices and assumptions, and missed what God was doing in front of them - in fact, they missed that God himself WAS in front of them.

The one thing all these examples of religious men in the Bible had in common, is the rejection of much of God's Commandments, and the belief that it didn't matter to salvation.

On the contrary, they had been clearly told that if they broke God's covenant, there would be consequences. Time and time again people broke God's commandments, were punished, repented (because the punishment was painful), were restored and forgiven, obeyed God for a while - and then the cycle started all over again.
There might have been a belief among some that, because they were God's people, they could live how they liked and God would always be pleased with them. But if anyone thought that, they hadn't learned their own history very well.

That is a teaching from "Many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord to be true. But Jesus Himself said;

Luke 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Yes, the Holy Spirit convicts us of our sins so that we repent; then he leads us to Jesus who saves us.
Repenting of sin is not a work. Keeping all the law is - if we could be saved by our own efforts then we wouldn't need a Saviour.

Mark 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

That's about discipleship, not salvation.

Matt. 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

Yes - that's what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 3 when he said that Christ is the Rock and foundation; anyone who does anything apart from Christ will have their work burnt up.

But Jesus didn't say "whoever puts all my words into action and keeps all my commands will be saved."

So here I am again, having to choose between the religious doctrines of the religions of the land that you are convinced of, and the Actions Jesus Himself said I must "DO" in order to be saved.

No, he didn't.
When Jesus asked what works God required, he answered "the work of God is to believe in the One he has sent", John 6:29. When he was asked what God's will was, he said "it is God's will that everyone who believes in me shall have eternal life", John 6:40. He said to the Pharisees, "you search the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. The Scriptures speak of me, but you won't come to me to have life", John 5:39-40.
He also said that he is the only way to the Father.

He did not say - anywhere - keep ALL the laws of Leviticus; try to do good works in your own strength and that is what will save you."

So let me see if I got your question right. The Bible says Jesus was the God who created everything, including the Law, "for our sake's no doubt". And according to the Holy scriptures, "ALL" those who walked in God's Law blameless, knew Jesus when HE came. And Peter said God gives His Holy Spirit to those who obey God. And Jesus said Him and His Father are One.

So how can a man keep the Law blameless, and still reject the God who created it? The First and Greatest Commandment in the Law is to Love God with all your heart. How can a man Love God and Reject God at the same time?

I don't think you really thought out that question.

I think you are either ignoring, or haven't read, my posts or understood my position.

I have asked a number of times;
i) do you, and @HARK! believe that we have to keep the law to be saved?
ii) by "law", do you include all the commands in Leviticus and Exodus? Commands about trimming your beard, not planting more than one crop in a field, not wearing clothes from 2 different kinds of fabric? Do we need to keep THESE to be saved?
iii) Do we need to keep THESE, otherwise we cannot live a good Christian life and serve God?

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes, the Word of God, the creator of "ALL" things, including the Law. "I am He" HE said. I and My Father are One, He said. That would mean it was HIM that spoke in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. The Sabbath is HIS, as HE said "I am Lord, even of the Sabbath Days.

This is the Christ of the Bible I am speaking about.

So is your argument; "Jesus wrote Leviticus, so if we want to know Jesus we have to keep Leviticus"?

Luke 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.

41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Yes, they knew Mary was pregnant, though we are not told that Zechariah knew that she was "the mother of the Lord".
This doesn't say that they both knew Jesus when he started his ministry 30 years later; they may not have even been alive then.

Luke 2:25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

That was Simeon, not John the Baptist's father, Zechariah. Not the same person.

It is obvious that Zacharias and Elizabeth knew the Christ when He came.

It's not obvious.
They may have recognised that he was special when he was born, but they didn't know him or how he would save people. Mary knew Jesus was special when she became pregnant, but she didn't always know who he was or what he had come to do, Luke 2:48-50.

I still don't see what this has to do with the quote from Isaiah that you originally posted.

It is almost amusing the lengths you go to keep from discussing what the Holy scriptures say about Zecharias and Simeon, and Anna.

I'm not going to any lengths to avoid discussing this.
You originally wrote a reply which mentioned "Zechariah", and I said, "which one; the prophet, John the Baptist's father or someone else?
You haven't even mentioned Simeon and Anna until now - far less "discussed what Scripture says about them."

I have been here before. I know from experience and the examples given for my admonition how this is going to play out. I do have hope and belief that God's Word does not return void, so maybe, someday, in the darkest corner of your house, you might consider some of the Scriptures I posted and their relevance to men.

All I wanted was a simple answer to my questions; "when you talk of the law, do you mean, or include, all the commands written in Leviticus?
Do you believe that we have to keep the law to be saved, or to live a good Christian life?

I would have thought that the question about law including all the Levitical commands was a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer or possibly "some of them."
Many pages of debate later, I still don't know what you believe about that.

 

[Dkh587]

I didn't say he was teaching us to do away with the law.
He fulfilled it.



I think he would!
He taught his disciples that where 2 or 3 were gathered - not the 10 required for a Synagogue - he was there with them. He taught that the Kingdom of God had arrived, even though it was not yet there in its fulness. He taught that they could call God, "Abba", or daddy. He taught that it is not what goes into the mouth that makes someone unclean but what comes out of it. He showed that he had power over sickness, death, the waves and the weather. He taught that the devil is a liar and a murderer from the beginning. He taught that the law and prophets spoke about him, and that he fulfilled prophecy. He taught that his blood would be shed for many for the forgiveness of sins. He taught that after Pentecost, God's Spirit would be IN them. He taught them to "do this in memory of him."



So God has given a law which is for us but which we are unable to keep - or only select parts?



Yes, but the latter 2 don't need to be.



I know; I realised that after I had written it.



No - you've just said yourself that it can't all be kept.



No it isn't.
If Jesus had said "all Gentile believers in me HAVE to keep all the Jewish law", then clearly we would. He didn't say that, or anything like it. So to assume that that's what he meant is just that; an assumption. Keeping the laws in Leviticus that you are able to keep, was not one of Jesus' teachings. He did not tell the 11 to go into the world and teach certain chunks of Leviticus - he said "go and teach everything I have commanded you". So you need to show where he commanded them to teach obedience to the law.



The law that we keep is the 10 commandments, summed up by Christ as "love God and love your neighbour as yourself" - plus the commands that Jesus gave; to love as he loves us, to go into the world and make disciples, to "do this in memory of me", and others. If this is what you mean by "law" - love God and one another, then, absolutely.
The law that we do not keep is the food and hygiene laws - no clothes of mixed fabrics, no fields planted with more than one crop, refrain from certain kinds of animals, skin diseases etc make a person unclean and you must not touch them, nor anything they have touched. You, yourself, have said that we cannot keep all these laws and not all are applicable.
So if these are what you mean by law, then, no.

Paul taught that circumcision was not only not necessary, but they if they received it, they were saying that Christ died for nothing.
Paul, and James, said that if they believed in trying to get salvation by keeping the law, they had to keep the WHOLE law - which would surely mean the food and hygiene laws, as well as stoning people for certain offences.



He wasn't teaching obedience to the law; he said he had come to fulfil the law.
He wasn't talking to the general public in Matt 5, but to his disciples. Verse 1, "his disciples came to him and he began to teach THEM".

That he was teaching obedience to the Law of God/Moses to the general public is evident from Matthew 7:28.

And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

The Greek word “people” is the same word used for “multitudes”. The multitudes were there and he was teaching them.

And even *if* it was only to his disciples, he was still teaching obedience to the Law of Moses & God, and he instructed his apostles to go into the world and teach everything that he taught them, which includes obedience to the law of God & Moses, so either way, obedience to the law of God is expected and taught by the Messiah. He taught his apostles and disciples to obey the Law, thus, they are to teach the nations the same thing:

Matthew 28:18-19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you

Everything the Messiah taught was based on what was in the Law of Moses/God & the Prophets. Some things were not made clear by the Prophets, there were mysteries, hints, prophecies etc that were fully revealed through the ministry of the Messiah.

Fulfilled means to fully preach it, which is why Paul says: I have fully preached the gospel:

Romans 15:19

Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Messiah

The Greek word used here is the same word where Messiah said he came to fulfill the law & prophets - he came to fully preach them, and that is what he preached in Matthew 5-7

 

[HARK!]

Noah was told not to eat meat with blood in it long before Leviticus came along.

The four commands that James gave to the gentiles coming to Messiah came right from Leviticus.

Jesus said that nothing that goes into person's mouth makes them unclean, only what comes out of it, Mark 7:18-19.

He was talking about eating bread with unwashed hands. Context, context, context! He wasn't telling us to put toxins in our temples.

Paul said that food does not bring us closer to God, 1 Corinthians 8:8.

And?

He also said that he was convinced that no food was unclean, Romans 14:14.

Food isn't unclean. YHWH outlined food in Leviticus. This passage relates to fasting. Paul is saying not to offend your brother, who believes that there is some law to fast twice a week for YHWH. If he believes that such a law exists; don't act like an insensitive heathen; and eat right in front of him.

Context, context, context!

 

[HARK!]

Of course not.
You said that there is nothing in the 10 commandments about drunkenness and asked where Paul got his teaching from. I said that drunkenness is not a good thing, and common sense should tell us that - look at all the awful things that people can do under the influence of drink.
So even if there was nothing at all in the OT about not getting drunk, and I haven't looked, Paul could still have known that it was wrong.

There is nothing in the 10 commandments, or all of Scripture, about injecting heroin - I don't know about you but I don't need a command to tell me that that is dangerous/foolish.

Again drunkards won't inherit the kingdom. Do you believe that YHWH would bar you from the kingdom, without telling you the action that you were performing would bar you from the kingdom? It is in scripture; but you wont find it in the Decalogue. You see, nothing will pass from the Torah, and the prophets, before heaven and earth.

 

[HARK!]

Pentateuch = first 5 book of the Bible, right?
So ARE you saying that Christians should keep ALL the laws written in Leviticus?

All that applies, in the example of Messiah. Messiah wasn't a woman, nor a Levite priest, so those laws don't apply to him, nor me. Women don't keep the laws that apply specifically to men.

 

[bbbbbbb]

All that applies, in the example of Messiah. Messiah wasn't a woman, nor a Levite priest, so those laws don't apply to him, nor me. Women don't keep the laws that apply specifically to men.

Do you expect women to keep the Levitical laws which do pertain to them?

 

[HARK!]

I didn't say he did.
Do you believe that he has now fulfilled the parts of the law that I wrote about - sacrifices and feasts?

No way!

The final trump is still to come. Judgement day, still to come. Wedding feast, still to come; and the feasts and sacrifices will continue in the kingdom to come.

 

[HARK!]

Do you expect women to keep the Levitical laws which do pertain to them?

I don't expect anyone to be obedient to YHWH. What do you suppose YHWH expects?

 

[bbbbbbb]

I don't expect anyone to be obedient to YHWH. What do you suppose YHWH expects?

It is quite clear what YHWH expects - absolute perfect obedience, even better than that of the Pharisees. Are you there yet?

 

[HARK!]

i) do you, and @HARK! believe that we have to keep the law to be saved?

The more appropriate question would be, "do you believe that we will inherit the kingdom in rebellion to YHWH's law?"

 

[Strong in Him]

The four commands that James gave to the gentiles coming to Messiah came right from Leviticus.

Context! He was writing to Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia. He doesn't say that those instructions were for all gentile believers, everywhere for all time.
Paul delivered that letter to Gentile believers in the churches - a letter which also said, "abstain from eating food offered to idols". A few years later he said that food offered to an idol is not unclean.

He was talking about eating bread with unwashed hands.

No he wasn't; that's an assumption.
Jesus said to the crowd, "nothing outside a man can make him unclean by going into him", not "nothing that you eat with unclean hands can make you unclean".
When they were away from the crowds Jesus explained further to his disciples; nothing a person eats can make them unclean because it goes into the stomach and out again. He was talking about whatever was put into the mouth and swallowed - the disciples were not eating their own hands! Mark added the comment "in saying this he declared all foods to be clean".
Paul echoes this when he told the Romans that no food was unclean.

And?

Food does not bring someone closer to God.
You do not get extra brownie points if you abstain from pork; you do not lose any blessings if you eat it.

Food isn't unclean. YHWH outlined food in Leviticus. This passage relates to fasting. Paul is saying not to offend your brother, who believes that there is some law to fast twice a week for YHWH.

The passage is not about fasting at all.
Romans 14:2; One man's faith allows him to eat anything, but another eats only vegetables.
He says that they should not judge, and they should not do something if it would offend someone else and cause them to stumble. Romans 14:14, "as one who is in Christ Jesus, I am convinced that no food is unclean." He goes on to say that if someone regards it as unclean then, for them, it is unclean.
Fasting isn't even mentioned.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Context! He was writing to Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia. He doesn't say that those instructions were for all gentile believers, everywhere for all time.
Paul delivered that letter to Gentile believers in the churches - a letter which also said, "abstain from eating food offered to idols". A few years later he said that food offered to an idol is not unclean.

No he wasn't; that's an assumption.
Jesus said to the crowd, "nothing outside a man can make him unclean by going into him", not "nothing that you eat with unclean hands can make you unclean".
When they were away from the crowds Jesus explained further to his disciples; nothing a person eats can make them unclean because it goes into the stomach and out again. He was talking about whatever was put into the mouth and swallowed - the disciples were not eating their own hands! Mark added the comment "in saying this he declared all foods to be clean".
Paul echoes this when he told the Romans that no food was unclean.

Food does not bring someone closer to God.
You do not get extra brownie points if you abstain from pork; you do not lose any blessings if you eat it.

The passage is not about fasting at all.
Romans 14:2; One man's faith allows him to eat anything, but another eats only vegetables.
He says that they should not judge, and they should not do something if it would offend someone else and cause them to stumble. Romans 14:14, "as one who is in Christ Jesus, I am convinced that no food is unclean." He goes on to say that if someone regards it as unclean then, for them, it is unclean.
Fasting isn't even mentioned.

Hear, hear!

 

[Strong in Him]

The more appropriate question would be, "do you believe that we will inherit the kingdom in rebellion to YHWH's law?"

No, I'm asking you.
Is "the law" all those commands we read in Leviticus?
Do we have to keep them to be saved?

I have already said that no one can enter the Kingdom unless they are born again, John 3:3. And Jesus made it clear that he gives eternal life and is the only way to the Father.

Are you saying that it isn't enough to be born again, we have to make sure we don't wear poly/cotton clothes as well?

 

[HARK!]

It is quite clear what YHWH expects - absolute perfect obedience, even better than that of the Pharisees. Are you there yet?

I think that I'm feeling a little speck in my eye. It might be a speck of dust from one of my tzitzits, which might not have been completely purified in my tzitzit miikveh. Would you take a look at it for me, Brother?

 

[Strong in Him]

All that applies, in the example of Messiah. Messiah wasn't a woman, nor a Levite priest, so those laws don't apply to him, nor me. Women don't keep the laws that apply specifically to men.

Right, so you DO believe that faith in Jesus isn't enough; that we can't be a disciple, or maybe even be saved, unless we live as he did - circumcised, Aramaic speaking, inhabitants of Israel?

 

[HARK!]

No, I'm asking you.
Is "the law" all those commands we read in Leviticus?
Do we have to keep them to be saved?

I have already said that no one can enter the Kingdom unless they are born again, John 3:3. And Jesus made it clear that he gives eternal life and is the only way to the Father.

Are you saying that it isn't enough to be born again, we have to make sure we don't wear poly/cotton clothes as well?

(CLV) 1Jn 3:9
Everyone who is begotten of God is not doing sin, for His seed is remaining in him, and he can not be sinning, for he is begotten of God.

Do you know the definition of sin?

 

[Strong in Him]

Again drunkards won't inherit the kingdom. Do you believe that YHWH would bar you from the kingdom, without telling you the action that you were performing would bar you from the kingdom? It is in scripture; but you wont find it in the Decalogue. You see, nothing will pass from the Torah, and the prophets, before heaven and earth.

Are you saying that it's our own actions that determine whether or not we enter the Kingdom?
John 3:3.
Again, the Torah still exists and nothing has passed from it - but it is not for Gentile believers.

I'm glad I am a gentile woman - that means I can't be circumcised and don't have the Torah for salvation.
All I have, and need, is Jesus.