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Featured Blameless in the Law

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by HARK!, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. Yes. Only Yahshua can follow the example that he called us to follow.

  2. No. Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

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  1. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Supporter

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    (CLV) Php 3:6
    in acrelation to zeal, persecuting the ecclesia, in acrelation to the righteousness which is in law, becoming blameless.


    (CLV) Lk 1:5
    There came to be, in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zechariah, of the routine of Abiah, and his wife, of the daughters of Aaron, and her name is Elizabeth.

    (CLV) Lk 1:6
    Now they were both just in front of God, going in all the precepts and just statutes of the Lord, blameless.

    Who says it's impossible?

    Matthew 5:48
    Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    Does Yahshua call us to the impossible?
     
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  2. Pavel Mosko

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    lol if you read the entire passage of Philippians 3: the context is not about keeping the Law...


    Philippians 3:3–7
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    we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless. whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ.
     
  3. HARK!

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    So Paul wasn't blameless in the law?
     
  4. Baby Tiger

    Baby Tiger sez:Grow In Grace

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    Are we concluding blameless=righteous here?
     
  5. Baby Tiger

    Baby Tiger sez:Grow In Grace

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    Galatians 2:21. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law,
    then Christ is dead in vain.
     
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  6. HARK!

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    How do you read it?

    "to the righteousness which is in law, becoming blameless."

    The righteousness that is IN law

    Definition of righteous

    1 : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
    Definition of RIGHTEOUS

    So blameless in being in accord with the law?
     
  7. HARK!

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    You do realize that Paul wrote this too; no?

    What do you suppose this means?

    Do you belivee that it suggests that YHWH's grace didn't precede Yahshua's death?
     
  8. HARK!

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    (CLV) Gn 15:6
    Now Abram believed on Elohim, and He reckoned it to him for righteousness

    (CLV) Gn 26:5
    inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

    (CLV) Ja 2:22
    You are observing that faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith perfected.

    (CLV) Ja 2:23
    And fulfilled was the scripture which is saying, Now "Abraham believes God, and it is reckoned to him for righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."

    (CLV) Ja 2:24
    You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.
     
  9. Baby Tiger

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    Obvious.
    Romans 4:3. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
    Galatians 3:19. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

    YHWH's Law is eternally righteous, eternally perfect, but does not impute righteousness to sinful man.
    Romans 3:20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:
    for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    It is as if tomorrow you read in Car and Driver magazine that the 2020 Porsche is the ultimate, perfect driving machine. You can buy one, but it doesn't make you the ultimate, perfect driver. You better scoot over and let Yahshua drive, before you wrap yourself around a tree.

    Galatians 3:17. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ,
    the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the
    promise of none effect.
     
  10. Baby Tiger

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    I read it the way Paul is stating it. You seem to have a problem with comprehending.
     
  11. HARK!

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    From the context, it appears that Paul is saying that he was blameless before he came to Messiah. That might be a matter for debate; but I strongly believe that I'm correct.

    However, even if I'm incorrect on that point; clearly John's parents were blameless before they came to Messiah.

    Who was driving their car?
     
  12. HARK!

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    Well you seem very confident of yourself.

    Perhaps you can break it down to the minutia, so that even any adolescents who might be viewing, can easily understand.
     
  13. HARK!

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    double post edit
     
  14. Baby Tiger

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    Paul does that quite adequately, continuing from your post:
    Philippians 3:
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    But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ.
    8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ
    9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;
    10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection
    , and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,
    11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
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    Not that I have already attained,or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.
    13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,
    14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
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    Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.
    16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule,
    let us be of the same mind.
     
  15. Baby Tiger

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    Blameless by the Law is based on the fact that the sacrifices atoned for the sins of the people.
    They lived in accordance with the Law.
    Romans 10:
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    For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.”
    6 But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above)
    7 or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
    8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
    9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
    10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
    12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
    13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
    Hebrews 10:
    1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
    2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
    3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.
    4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
     
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  16. Baby Tiger

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    For the analogy to work, I would have to say Moses. That would not even get you into the promised land by all accounts.
    Acts 7:42. Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
     
  17. HARK!

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    Very good. I read this whole book, multiple times, before I started this thread.

    Are you now ready to answer your own question, and break it down into terms that even an adolescent can understand?

    I look forward to your response.
     
  18. HARK!

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    Interesting. So was everyone blameless in the days of sacrifices?

    Is there no longer any atonement for sin?
     
  19. HARK!

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    Moses took a wrong turn and hit a rock; but two made it into the promised land. What do you make of that?
     
  20. Baby Tiger

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    I don't understand what you feel needs to be "broken down". You seem to be assuming that an
    adolescent cannot read Paul's letter to the Philippians and understand it. I disagree.
     
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