Birth pangs

[keras]

In Matthew 21:4 Jesus is talking to the Jews. He tells them the Kingdom will be taken away from them and given to a nation that bears the proper fruit.
So we know from this critical statement, that the Jewish people, now the State of Israel, [a misnomer] won't inherit the Kingdom. Who are the nation [people] who bear fruit? Christians; true righteous believers of God and Jesus, evangelizing and doing good works. THEY will inherit the holy Land and when Jesus Returns, reign with Him in His Kingdom of the Earth.
We Christians are deemed by righteousness to be descendants of Abraham, the one people of God. Galatians 3:26-29
In Matthew 24, Jesus is talking to His followers, NOT the Jewish people as a whole.

I post this again, so Straightshot can properly read and respond to it.
God does have His eye on the holy Land, Deuteronomy 11:11-12, and He has helped the Jewish people in their wars, ec. But they continue to refute Jesus and many prophesies say how they will be judged and punished. Isaiah 22:1-14
Jeremiah 12:14-17 is a very interesting passage. It tells of three peoples;
1/ the evil neighbors- the Islamic peoples in and around Israel.
2/ the House of Judah - the Jewish people, the Israelis.
3/ My people, Israel; the overcomers and all true Christian believers.

So only those Jews who learn the ways of My Christian people will join with them in the Land.

 

[Psalm3704]

From that article:
8. The next tetrad will occur on Passover and Tabernacles (Sukkot) in 2014 and 2015. Therefore, we can expect the eighth tetrad to be associated with something important that will affect Christians and Jews; perhaps the start of the GT and World War 3.

We can expect eh?

That last Tetrad was a yawner.

Parousia, you're sounding very ignorant. Do yourself a favor and go research the years when the past tetrads occured and the years it took effect involving the Jewish people.

You obviously don't know since you were expecting something to happen last year.

Try next year. In the mean time, keep yawning.

All this Blood moon Tetrad Jewish nonsense has been thoroughly debunked:
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...ie=UTF-8#q=blood+moon+tetrads+jewish+debunked

So is what you based your salvation upon.

https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app&gws_rd=ssl#q=preterism+debunked










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[Psalm3704]

So, knowing we BOTH have been given the authority by God to interpret end times prophesy, how are our readers to determine which of our opposite interpretations are in fact "authoritative"?

Well that shouldn't be so hard to figure out. Just ignore the one with the preterist view. LOL!







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[Psalm3704]

To the folks making personal remarks to each other: I'm not a mod, but can I ask you to please refrain from this? I would hate for this thread to get shut down because of personal squabbles. This thread is a good resource to keep track of things going on in the world. Let's keep it going in that direction. Thanks.

I just noticed this and realized this is Handmaid's thread. [Staff edit]




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[Straightshot]

"I post this again, so Straightshot can properly read and respond to it"


You waisted your time

 

[parousia70]

Well that shouldn't be so hard to figure out. Just ignore the one with the preterist view. LOL!

All Christians are preterist PS3704, we only vary by degree.

So is what you based your salvation upon.

Like ALL Christians, I base my salvation on the Cross work of Christ Jesus, and the free gift His work on the cross bought for each of us.

Ones interpretation of Biblical eschatology has nothing to do with ones salvation.

 

[parousia70]

Do yourself a favor and go research the years when the past tetrads occured and the years it took effect involving the Jewish people.

I have, and they don't. There is only one tetrad since the first century that can be said to have occurred prior to a significant event for Jewish people, and even that one's a stretch...

You obviously don't know since you were expecting something to happen last year.

I wasn't expecting anything to happen, and guess what? I was right.

In contrast, The author of the article WAS expecting something to happen and guess what? He was wrong, exactly like 100% of the end time predictors and pontificators who came before him. They ALL share a 100% failure rate.

Try next year.

Ahhh futurism, moving the goalposts since 1850.

 

[Straightshot]

My comment

Know that the signs related to the coming tribulation will all take place within the scope of 2550 days .... and not before

The dating of the Lord's judgment is still pending as we speak ... and no man can know the date

This period will come suddenly and with no prior warning, so past predictions based upon the ideas of men have always failed .... and will continue to fail

When the day of the Lord does come, there will be no doubt about it .... all on the earth will know that they are under His judgment [Psalms 2; Revelation 6:12-17]

 

[tatteredsoul]

I think the phenomenon are man made using whatever technology they have access to .. To lead us to a new age ... Ending with a false messianic age ... But God knows their devices

It is a mix. Things are being prepped for the enemy to come and "fix" things miraculously.

It takes a lot of energy to use a MDEW once, so it takes time. Some of the man made events are actually part of WWIII going on right now - environmental war between nations secretly.

The bulk of the birth pangs will come when the Enemy's destroyer planet comes close to our solar system. This is a dwarf star that cannot be seen by the naked eye, because it emits mostly infrared radiation, and limited visible light. It is the star that comes upon the earth burning as a lamp; it is the molten iron core of a binary/companion star. This entity has come around at least once before - likely during Noah, and presumably during the Exodus.

This star called Wormwood (which is also what NASA named the brown dwarf star found outside our solar system in the 80s) will rain iron dust (literally rust) on the atmosphere of the earth.

It will look like a dragon when it comes close to our solar system; the gravity and magnetic fields of the various bodies in our solar system will pull at the iron core causing it to loOK like a dragon with horns (as some ancient cultures have described.)

The entity is already close; Saturn is gaining storm bands, and Jupiter is losing bands, and the red dot is shrinking. Remember, this thing is a star; for this reason, it is also speculated that it will have its own stellar system with it. That means more solar system trauma.

The inner planets will soon feel more increasing disasters because of this stellar system coming.

Earthquakes, illness, mental instability, physical instability, etc. will increase by consequence.

This is why global warming/climate change is being pushed so hard - to be a red herring for what is actually responsible. If people knew a brown dwarf star surrounded by seven planets was on a collision course for our solar system within, say, 18 months, the entities that want control would categorically lose it. It isn't the anarchy that scares them, it is the loss of control. If you had 18 months before TEOTWAWKI, would you pay taxes? Would you go to work? Would you care about rent?

The irony is that if the public actually knew of what is coming, it would actually free them in fundamental ways.

 

[Straightshot]

My comment

The information above is from tabloid materials that can be found on the Internet

These concoctions are prevalent and can be studied, but know that much falsehood is in the package

I would suggest that one study the Lord's Word for truth and not the follies of men

 

[stephen583]

There are no prophets except the Bible prophets .... any others who claim to be are false prophets

There have been and are scads of these who dabble .... and all of them misfire with their false predictions

And when their projections do not come to pass with 100% accuracy, they reinvent their stories

The Lord's prophetic word is finished as it is written and any who add or take away are on dangerous ground [Revelation 22:18-19]

The Revelation says different. In Revelation 11:3-4 it states explicitly there will be two witnesses who will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days. No one knows what the prophecies will be about, because that hasn't been written yet, although I can't imagine something like that not being recorded after it does happen. So the idea everything has already been written and is finished is patently false.

The Scripture also says, in the last days, "Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams, (Acts 2:17, Joel 2:28). As far as I know, these prophecies, visions and dreams do not yet appear anywhere in the Bible, and have yet to be recorded.

The Gospel says "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these".. (John 14:12). The Revelation says, "the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy, (Revelation 19:10). If Jesus prophesied, then those who believe in him will prophesy also.

Prophesying is one of the gifts of the spirit, (1 Corinthians 12:28) and the Apostle Paul expressly warns against anyone despising those who prophesy, or holding prophecy in contempt, (1 Thessalonians 5:20).

I'm afraid anti-prophesying propaganda simply does not hold up to Bible scrutiny.

 

[stephen583]

"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes , in divers places" (Matthew 24:7, KJV).


Another Earthquake Update.

Ariang News Seoul South Korea.

As South Korean President Park calls today for even stronger U.N. sanctions against North Korea for their fifth nuclear test, the strongest earthquake on seismic record for Korea (a 5.8 quake) hits Gyeong Ju, South Korea, (a region not prone to earthquakes). Coincidence ?

South Korean and U.S. intelligence also confirm the North Koreans are moving equipment into place and seismic sensors around tunnel three at their test facility, indicating the North will soon test yet another nuclear device. [End Quote Ariang News], World News Network.

 

[stephen583]

Speaking of "pestilences" (Matthew 24:7) wouldn't the Zeka mosquito virus spreading into North America for the first time fit into that prophesied End Time category ???

 

[Straightshot]

"The Revelation says different. In Revelation 11:3-4 it states explicitly there will be two witnesses who will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days"


No difference

Do you not know that these are two of the Lord's prophets scheduled to appear in Israel during the second 1260 days of the 70th week decreed for the nation?

They are Bible prophets just as are all of the other Bible prophets

He is not finished His nation of Israel

 

[stephen583]

A magnitude-5.6 earthquake – matching the strongest temblor to ever hit the state – struck north central Oklahoma Saturday morning, the U.S. Geological Survey reported.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/09/03/56-magnitude-quake-rocks-oklahoma/89824558/

I just watched a 60 Minutes report last night about the "man made" earthquakes occurring in Oklahoma. The full report can be viewed at "60MinutesOvertime.com". Apparently oil drilling companies are injecting waste water from oil production thousands of feet into the earth, and the water is seeping into the strata where the fault lines are located. The resulting pressure on the fault lines has produced an incredible, (unbelievable) increase in earthquake activity for Central Oklahoma.

In 2009 the USGS only recorded 12 minor (3.0 quakes) in Oklahoma. Since that time the amount of waste water being pumped into the ground has tripled, and in 2014 the USGS recorded 974 quakes. Seismic scientists even predicted larger quakes would likely take place in the future, like the 5.6 quake that occurred recently.

People's homes and property are being destroyed by the quakes, while the oil companies deny any responsibility and the Oklahoma government only takes half measures to deal with the catastrophe.

"Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap, and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs" (1 Timothy 6:9-11).

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Hello everyone. I had to be away last week, but I am happy to see you all holding down the fort.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Speaking of "pestilences" (Matthew 24:7) wouldn't the Zeka mosquito virus spreading into North America for the first time fit into that prophesied End Time category ???

I don't think so... not yet.

"They" are waiting for the conditions to be perfect (celestially, and terrestrially) in order for the right VECTOR to deliver a catastrophic result.

Exodus pestilence worked, for example (of course, since it was God's will,) and if The Destroyer was upon them then (which I believe so, seeing as other texts that match the bible story ALSO describe a cosmic body visible) then it is understandable how things like the parting of the red Sea happened.

Despite claims of cigar shaped UFOS seen weeks before the Plague, that didn't work as a proper worldwide vector since the world population was not interacting worldly enough.

Polio didn't work, fundamentally.

AIDS didn't work because of a manufacturing error.

Swine Flu was a farce of cosmic magick gone wrong (yes, magick...)

Ebola was a red herring of cosmic magick miscalculated.... all times.

Zika, if their cosmic magick works, could work. But, it isn't a strong enough vector.

The ideal vector would be a fast acting virus capable of mutating, with a kill rate that is high enough to destroy a large portion of the population, but also kill slowly enough to be a serious SPREADABLE CONTAIGEN. Ebola fails at this categorically, because it has a 90%+ kill rate, and is fast acting. This is why conspiracy theories assert the vector will be a hybrid - like weakened rabies and a flu virus. The point is to

1) depopulate
2) sterilize
3) dehumanize

#3 - dehumanization - will come from what will be done to get rid of, or control the contaigen.

Zika is a pestilence, but it was patented sixty years ago, and has a manufacturing error. For starters, you can still procreate with the infection - a big mister in the overall goal (sterility and depopulation). Zika is also NOT a serious infection, and originally did NOT cause microencephaly.

Some people are trying to speed up the coming of the Enemy with these magickal antics with the hopes of stopping further prophecy when the works of their own hands bring their god the Enemy as "christ."

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Zika is also NOT a serious infection, and originally did NOT cause microencephaly.

Well if it has been around so long, and microcephalic did not occur with it in the beginning, does that mean what we are seeing today is the result of a mutated virus?

 

[Inkfingers]

The Apostle Paul states explicitly what the sign of the beginning of the Tribulation Period is. He doesn't say anything about a reconstructed Third Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. He doesn't say anything about a coronal mass ejection (solar flare). He doesn't mention wars, earthquakes, or floods either. This is what the Apostle Paul says;

"Let no man deceive you by any means; for that DAY shall not come, EXCEPT there come a FALLING AWAY FIRST", and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, KJV).

In a letter to the Corinthians, the Apostle Paul explains exactly what "temple" he is talking about in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, and it definitely is not any mythological, reconstructed Third "Jewish" temple.

"Know ye not YE are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in YOU ? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy, for the temple of God is holy, WHICH TEMPLE YE ARE", (1 Corinthians 3:16-17).

Many times Bible prophecy is fulfilled in a "preparatory" and "consummate" stage of fulfillment. The preparatory phase being a foreshadowing, or warning about what is going to come to past. This is precisely the case in 2 Thess. 2:3-4, where a general "falling away" from sound Apostolic teaching precedes the appearance of a "False Prophet" Antichrist.

It is equally clear, from the teachings of the Apostle Paul (2 Thess. 2:4, 1 Cor. 3:17), and Jesus (Luke 21:8), this Antichrist figure comes in the guise of a "Christian", supplanting the Word of God and Gospel of Christ with his own doctrine, (thus defiling the temple of God), even to the extent he ultimately proclaims himself to be the coming of the Messiah.

The only question is, has the great "falling away" from real Christianity already happened ? I believe it has, and it began with the "Eccuminical Movement" in 1910, which later morphed into the "Interfaith Movement", both of which seek to unite all religions that recognize a supreme being, or creator. This not only includes groups formerly identified as non-Christian cults (falsely posing as Christian churches), but also includes the religions of Buddhism, Hinduism, Bahai and Islam, as well as a number of primitive, indigenous religions (such as those of Native American Indians and the Aboriginal people of Australia). What I call the "Big Tent" world religion movement.

If everyone's spiritual belief is held as being "equal" to one another... regardless of whether they recognize Jesus as the Son of God, or not... How can this possibly not represent a great "Falling Away" from the original tenants of Christianity ??? The very existence of Christ has become irrelevent in modern day Christianity !!! The very notion is totally absurd form a Christian standpoint. Yet this is exactly the infirm spiritual ground upon which we find ourselves.

I think we are totally ready for this "False Prophet" Antichrist figure to appear.

I agree.

We are jumping the gun if looking for earthquakes and volcanos already. We need to look for the apostasy of Matt 24:9-12, and the abomination of desolation of Matt 24:15, before we look for the earthquakes and falling stars of Matt 24:29.

That said, yes pestilence does come before these and that is at least worth noting....

 

[tatteredsoul]

EDIT: Just realized I barely answered your question in context.

I do not think microencephaly is from Zika. I think Zika is a cover for something worse. I am thinking water, or radiation.

But, I don't think the mosquitos are doing it. That is a lobby for GMO insect industry.

Well if it has been around so long, and microcephalic did not occur with it in the beginning, does that mean what we are seeing today is the result of a mutated virus?

Most likely an intentional "manufactory error."

https://www.atcc.org/Products/All/VR-84.aspx#history

It has been around for decades, and studied.

This is likely a scare tactic to desensitize the public to the use of genetically modified living organisms to fight the virus. As you may know, genetically modified mosquitos are already used to fight mosquito populations. So, a GMO mosquito may be used as a carrier for attacking the virus even.

You can see how no matter what happens, someone is going to make a profit off of all of it. That is the worst part.