Birth pangs

[Straightshot]

My comment


The moon has not and will not turn to blood

The common eclipse involving the sun, moon, and earth is nothing new and well understood .... those who point to the common eclipse activity for sings and warnings have seen nothing yet compared to what is coming

Revelation's accounts of solar activity like the moon's obscurity will involve the pronounced atmospheric pollution with debris from the destruction and warfare that will prevail over the earth during the coming tribulation

For example, the destruction of the "great city" MBG will produce enormous amounts of residue in the atmosphere which will obscure the moon's light and will make the moon appear red as seen from the earth

And so will the seismic activity of the earthquakes and related volcanic emissions cause the same effect .... even continents will be moved out of the places

 

[keras]

The biblical signs and warnings will not materialize until the tribulation begins and during the period .... then there will be no doubt
This period of the Lord's day has not yet begun and when it does there will be no doubt [Psalms 2, Revelation 6:12-17]

Only then will the signs and warnings revealed materialize .... anything outside of the scope is the speculation of men

This [staff edit] opposes the premise of this thread.
Jesus plainly stated that there will be signs and portents leading up to the end times events; the first birthpangs before the new age.... Matthew 24:8
The trouble is when people make out things like a known astronomical event, like the moon glowing a brown/orange color as it rises, full, above the horizon, to be one of those 'birthpangs'. The fact that nothing significant has ever happened on these occurrences and quite a few false prophets have made a lot of money out of it, discredits them entirely.
But we HAVE had wars: increasing in scope and intensity, earthquakes: also more and bigger, famines: overpopulation coupled with environmental destruction and the economies of most nations are extremely precarious, plus the persecution of Christians is increasing; all proves the first 5 Seals of the apocalypse are open and exponentially worsening.
This means the next event we can expect is the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, the fiery wrath of the Lord. Jesus will complete His quote of Isaiah 61:2b

 

[Straightshot]

The signs and portents have not yet begun [staff edit] .... none of them

When they do all on the earth will know .... and all of the will lead up to His appearing upon the earth for all to see

 

[keras]

The signs and portents have not yet begun [staff edit] .... none of them

You are fairly lonely with that belief.

When they do all on the earth will know .... and all of the will lead up to His appearing upon the earth for all to see

When the Sixth Seal devastation strikes, you will surely know about it. The world will not ever be the same again. His appearance must be at least 7 years after the Sixth Seal. Actually more like 12/14 years after.

 

[Psalm3704]

I'm going to need you to support this claim with some kind of evidence.

My choice of word was slightly off. I should of said "The tetrads in the past has always involved the Jewish people, never the church."

The tetrads in the past has always involved Israel, never the church,

It's pretty much all over the internet. You can google "blood moon tetrads and the Jewish people" and find articles like the link below.

http://ipost.christianpost.com/post/the-four-blood-moons-in-history-and-next









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[Straightshot]

"You are fairly lonely with that belief."


The Lord was not popular [staff edit] and is not today .... neither are His revealings of the future

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And it is the Lord who will personally met out His judgments .... do you know this?

You just will not see Him in the process if you are in the tribulation upon the earth .... however, you will know that you are under His pounding

And the period will last for exactly 2550 days .... then He will appear upon the earth just after

Since you do not differentiate between His nation of Israel and your "church" you are diminishing your understanding of the 70 weeks of years that He has decreed for the same

And you will never arrive at a correct rendering of Revelation's unfolding

 

[stephen583]

What else ya got?

Be careful what you ask for. These signs are Judgments, (Matthew 16:4).

 

[stephen583]

So, knowing we BOTH have been given the authority by God to interpret end times prophesy, how are our readers to determine which of our opposite interpretations are in fact "authoritative"?

"When a prophet speaketh in the Lord's name, if the thing follows not, comes not to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken presumptuously: thou shall not be afraid of him" (Deuternomy 18:22, KJV).

 

[stephen583]

Nothing is scripture about NK except this possibility [Daniel 11:44]

Which is precisely why I reported the news in post 240 about North Korea having developed a ten megaton hydrogen bomb, and how quickly they will now be able to develop a deliverable missile warhead.

North Korea could now precipitate a nuclear war between the superpowers, which is why even China is opposed to North Korea continuing to develop its' nuclear arsenal. All it would take now is a "rumor" the North Koreans had dispatched a ballistic missile sub to the West Coast of the United States with nuclear armed SLBM's onboard, and we are looking straight into the Abyss. Everybody goes to DEFCON 1, and next death by nuclear holocaust.

 

[keras]

The Lord was not popular [staff edit] and is not today .... neither are His revealings of the future

It is you that promotes the popular idea of a rapture to heaven. I on the other hand, refute that unbiblical notion and my task is to reveal what the prophets, including Jesus, actually wrote. Consequently, I am 'without honour' and abused by the likes of yourself, no doubt in a cozy fellowship of like minded people.

 

[Straightshot]

"Which is precisely why I reported the news in post 240 about North Korea having developed a ten megaton hydrogen bomb, and how quickly they will now be able to develop a deliverable missile warhead"


It will be North Korea in the far east along with others from the Orient who will oppose the little horn of Daniel's visions and he will sweep them away .... and the same fate will come to his opposition in the far north [Daniel 11:44]

And no one can date this prophecy because it will happen during the tribulation period which has not yet come

 

[keras]

Since you do not differentiate between His nation of Israel and your "church" you are diminishing your understanding of the 70 weeks of years that He has decreed for the same

SS, please tell us who is the nation that Jesus is saying that bears the proper fruit, in Matthew 21:42

 

[Straightshot]

Matthew 24 is all about His nation of Israel during the 70th week decreed for the same .... nothing to do with your "church"

 

[keras]

Matthew 24 is all about His nation of Israel during the 70th week decreed for the same .... nothing to do with your "church"

You avoided my question:

SS, please tell us who is the nation that Jesus is saying that bears the proper fruit, in Matthew 21:42

In Matthew 21:4 Jesus is talking to the Jews. He tells them the Kingdom will be taken away from them and given to a nation that bears the proper fruit.
So we know from this critical statement, that the Jewish people, now the State of Israel, [a misnomer] won't inherit the Kingdom. Who are the nation [people] who bear fruit? Christians; true righteous believers of God and Jesus, evangelizing and doing good works. THEY will inherit the holy Land and when Jesus Returns, reign with Him in His Kingdom of the Earth.
We Christians are deemed by righteousness to be descendants of Abraham, the one people of God. Galatians 3:26-29
In Matthew 24, Jesus is talking to His followers, NOT the Jewish people as a whole.

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[dysert]

To the folks making personal remarks to each other: I'm not a mod, but can I ask you to please refrain from this? I would hate for this thread to get shut down because of personal squabbles. This thread is a good resource to keep track of things going on in the world. Let's keep it going in that direction. Thanks.

 

[Dave Watchman]

To the folks making personal remarks to each other: I'm not a mod, but can I ask you to please refrain from this? I would hate for this thread to get shut down because of personal squabbles. This thread is a good resource to keep track of things going on in the world. Let's keep it going in that direction. Thanks.

• To the folks making personal remarks to each other:
  
• I'm not a mod, but can I ask you to please refrain from this?
  
• I would hate for this thread to get shut down because of personal squabbles.
  
• This thread is a good resource to keep track of things going on in the world.
  
• Let's keep it going in that direction.

Thanks.
Watchmanhatoff

 

[Straightshot]

[Staff edit]


Like I said, Matthew 24 is all about the Lord's nation of Israel and has nothing to do with the NT "church"

Those who mix His salvation with His set apart national people are teaching replacement theology

.... that He is finished with Israel and is not the One who has returned a remnant part of the nation to the Middle East today for His specific purposes

This is false teaching

 

[parousia70]

My choice of word was slightly off. I should of said "The tetrads in the past has always involved the Jewish people, never the church."

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It's pretty much all over the internet. You can google "blood moon tetrads and the Jewish people" and find articles like the link below.

http://ipost.christianpost.com/post/the-four-blood-moons-in-history-and-next

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From that article:
8. The next tetrad will occur on Passover and Tabernacles (Sukkot) in 2014 and 2015. Therefore, we can expect the eighth tetrad to be associated with something important that will affect Christians and Jews; perhaps the start of the GT and World War 3.


We can expect eh?

That last Tetrad was a yawner.

All this Blood moon Tetrad Jewish nonsense has been thoroughly debunked:
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...ie=UTF-8#q=blood+moon+tetrads+jewish+debunked

 

[parousia70]

"When a prophet speaketh in the Lord's name, if the thing follows not, not comes to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken presumptuously: thou shall not be afraid of him" (Deuternomy 18:22, KJV).

Excellent.
So again, provide a link to ANY prediction of yours dated prior to the event coming to pass with the associated Scriptural prophesy you claim that event fulfilled.

 

[Straightshot]

There are no prophets except the Bible prophets .... any others who claim to be are false prophets

There have been and are scads of these who dabble .... and all of them misfire with their false predictions

And when their projections do not come to pass with 100% accuracy, they reinvent their stories

The Lord's prophetic word is finished as it is written and any who add or take away are on dangerous ground [Revelation 22:18-19]