Birth pangs

[Straightshot]

"I just got around to watching the video in post 217. Wow ! That was creepy"


You need to know that the Pope and his "church" will be helpless and in no way will this organization vanguard Satan's beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions .... in fact the RCC will be the victims of Satan's adventure

You watch too many videos on the Internet of the tabloid fabric .... these things are designed to promote sensation and they carry satanic meddling in the package

Here is my prediction .... there will be no September surprise as you think, and P does not know what he is talking about .... [staff edit]

 

[Psalm3704]

I just saw this interesting video on the 5th Seal at Rapture Watch and thought I share it too.

Revelation 6:9-11 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.







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[iamlamad]

False teachers and false prophets abound today and none of ramblings are contained within the scope of the visions of the Lord's prophets .... the only true prophets

The time has not come yet for the visions of the Lord's more sure word of prophecy to materialize at the end of this present age

And my record of the same is not mine, but the Lord's

Not a good idea for your to tell that your speculations are of the same because they are not even seen by the prophets .... many have come and gone like yourself and your return will amount to nothing

The end time events from His word are already written and plain to see .... and when He is ready, His prophetic word will be fulfilled with 100% accuracy

Your speculations are all about things outside of the scope and most anyone who has a knowledge of current events can guess and make predictions that look like fulfillment .... but until the visions of the prophets begin to roll, your talk is just that ..... talk

Only the Lord and His prophets know .... you do not

So unless you stick to the same and instead go off with your own speculations, you will fail every time

You are not listening to the Lord's admonitions about what you are doing .... and when His day does come there will be no warnings or signs .... and all earth dwellers will know that they are under His unprecedented judgment with out a doubt [Psalms 2; Revelation 6:2-17]

None of these things have come as we speak .... He is waiting until He is ready

Indeed, we are waiting:

Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

[Straightshot]

When the fullness of the Gentiles of the nations has been added to the Lord's true ecclesia, He is going to dramatically the change course of events

His focus will be upon His nation of Israel and He is going to bring the 70th week decreed .... same period as the coming tribulation of His wrath and judgment upon the whole world

His purpose will be to bring the nation under His covenant and a remnant part will turn and believe in their Messiah and King [Jeremiah 30; 31:31-37; Ezekiel 20:34-44; Daniel 9:24-27]

 

[stephen583]

I'll ping you at that time and you can explain why your September Surprise failed to come to pass and why that failure is different from all of Straightshots failures.

Here is my prediction .... there will be no September surprise

Before it even began, I posted weeks ago here CF the Beijing G-20 Summit would be a total failure. Take a look at my last post on the subject #207 in this thread (paragraph three). I can list all the previous posts from last month as well if you like. Here is todays leading headline on MSNBC News.

"Bad Luck And Worse Manners Tarnish Obama's Asia Trip".

Tarnish ? There's an understatement if there ever was one. The G-20 Summit in Beijing was a full blown political disaster. Not only did the Chinese publicly humiliate Obama, Putin reached an "understanding" with Britain over Russia's invasion and occupation of Crimea, [staff edit]. Watch and see if in the future, the Philippines don't seek their own amicable "understanding" with China over the South China Sea dispute, independent of U.S. interests and International Law.

You don't call the political meltdown of the G-20 Economic Summit in Beijing a "September Surprise" ? Are you blind, or are you just pretending to be blind ? You don't think this is going to ripple through the world's financial markets and hasten a global economic collapse ? The appearance of the Third Horseman of the Apocalypse ?

You don't think the realignment of Britain, Japan, Germany, Turkey and the Philippines against U.S. interests is not going to have any ramifications on the possibility of a looming Third World War ? The Fourth Horseman of the Apocalypse ?

We haven't even seen the "fallout" from the Pope's Interfaith Convocation scheduled for later this month in Jerusalem yet, especially if the ultra-orthodox Jews intend to link the event with some symbolic Mosaic ritual sacrifice on the Temple Mount afterwards. Can't wait to see how all that plays out.

So far this month (and keep in mind we're only six days into it), I'm 5 and 0 on predicting what is going to happen according to Bible Prophecy... while you guys score "Zip" so far.

"Unbiblical ramblings" ? "tabloid exegesis" ? No September Surprise ? Instead of promising readers of this thread you are going to discredit me come October, at this point, you guys seriously need to buy a CLUE. Wrong again Parousia.

 

[stephen583]

"For now we see through a glass darkly" (1 Corinthians 13:12).

The most significant thing about the post #217 was the question asked at the beginning of the video. "What if Bible Prophecy is fulfilled in some manner other than what we expect" ? The way I see it, you have two choices. You can choose not to believe what you're hearing and seeing before your eyes, or you can recognize your view of Bible Prophecy fulfillment was somehow flawed. Which should not come as any surprise, because that's exactly the point 1 Corinthians 13:12 makes.

Lots of people are tripped up, because they fail to take into account "preparatory" and "consummate" stages of fulfillment. The preparatory stage of fulfillment, may only be a foreshadowing (warning) of what is to come later, to which the OP of this thread "Birth Pangs" refers.

Others are simply so locked into their own hypothesis about the meaning of End Time Bible Prophecy, they are totally incapable of hearing, or seeing anything else. It's kind of like the mistake the ancient Pharisees made when they rejected Christ, because he didn't fit their notion of a "warrior king" messiah, who was going to lead Israel in a revolt against the Roman rule.

 

[dysert]

"For now we see through a glass darkly" (1 Corinthians 13:12).

The most significant thing about the post #217 was the question asked at the beginning of the video. "What if Bible Prophecy is fulfilled in some manner other than what we expect" ? The way I see it, you have two choices. You can choose not to believe what you're hearing and seeing before your eyes, or you can recognize your view of Bible Prophecy fulfillment was somehow flawed. Which should not come as any surprise, because that's exactly the point 1 Corinthians 13:12 makes.

Lots of people are tripped up, because they fail to take into account "preparatory" and "consummate" stages of fulfillment. The preparatory stage of fulfillment, may only be a foreshadowing (warning) of what is to come later, to which the OP of this thread "Birth Pangs" refers.

Others are simply so locked into their own hypothesis about the meaning of End Time Bible Prophecy, they are totally incapable of hearing, or seeing anything else. It's kind of like the mistake the ancient Pharisees made when they rejected Christ, because he didn't fit their notion of a "warrior king" messiah, who was going to lead Israel in a revolt against the Roman rule.

This is a good point, Stephen. While we should be diligent to study and do our best to understand the whole counsel of God, we must not become so arrogant to think that our interpretation of things must be exactly right. Mixing humility in with study is good practice.

 

[parousia70]

So far this month (and keep in mind we're only six days into it), I'm 5 and 0 on predicting what is going to happen according to Bible Prophecy... while you guys score "Zip" so far.

"Unbiblical ramblings" ? "tabloid exegesis" ? No September Surprise ? Instead of promising readers of this thread you are going to discredit me come October, at this point, you guys seriously need to buy a CLUE. Wrong again Parousia.

Show me the scripture that is being fulfilled in the events you claim.

So far you've been 0 and 5 on specific chapter and verse you claim have been fulfilled in these 5 events.

And who are you to proclaim the authority to cite ANY current event as the fulfillment of prophesy anyway? what scripture gives you such authority?

oh, and I wont be the one discrediting you... I wont need to, as you are doing a fine job of it all by yourself.

Sounds to me it's you who needs to buy a clue.

 

[dysert]

An island that has recently appeared in the middle of the Sea of Galilee (Kinneret) is a cause of ecologic alarm, but, more importantly, it is also a sign mentioned explicitly in the Talmud as presaging the coming of the Messiah from the House of David.

Read more at http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/7...resage-messiah-son-david/#AcvSYgl5cGMSf1dX.99

 

[parousia70]

An island that has recently appeared in the middle of the Sea of Galilee (Kinneret) is a cause of ecologic alarm, but, more importantly, it is also a sign mentioned explicitly in the Talmud as presaging the coming of the Messiah from the House of David.

Read more at http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/7...resage-messiah-son-david/#AcvSYgl5cGMSf1dX.99

From the article:
"The sudden appearance of the island is not entirely unusual or unexpected. It frequently appears"

 

[stephen583]

Show me the scripture that is being fulfilled in the events you claim.

So far you've been 0 and 5 on specific chapter and verse you claim have been fulfilled in these 5 events.

And who are you to proclaim the authority to cite ANY current event as the fulfillment of prophesy anyway? what scripture gives you such authority?


Your statement is patently false and meant to deceive readers of this thread, and I can prove it. Here is a list of the posts in this thread in which I quote chapter and verse regarding Bible Prophecy and the current events that are fulfilling them. Post 83, 107, 148, 153, 182, 203, 229 and 231. You might also check the threads "Is the Great Tribulation Impending" and "2017", there are dozens of more posts in these two threads listing chapter and verse which support what I am posting here in CF in the eschatology forum. [Staff edit]

Short answer to your last question. God gives me the authority to interpret End Time Bible Prophecy.

Why don't my posts contain more chapter and verse Scriptural references ?Two reasons. First, I presume everyone reading the post has at least a working knowledge of Bible Scripture. So when I refer to something stated in the Olivet Discourse, I don't cite chapter and verse. It would be redundant, as much as it would be an insult to the intelligence of those reading the post. Anyone who wants to, can bring up the specific chapter and verse on their computer screen simply using the words or verse as it is quoted, as well as plenty of scholarly Bible commentary.

In my experience, sprawling posts containing dozens of scriptural citations are tedious to readers, they often speed read through all the minutia, or more likely simply skip the post altogether, making such lengthy posts a very poor way of getting one's point across. The fewest words and getting straight to the point is my way of communicating.

This forum is for an informal general discussion of eschatology. It is expressly not a courtroom for lawyers and their tedious and overly wordy arguments.

I hope this information helps you to make more accurate and effective posts in the future.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Anyone remember the blood moons thing? Apparently there's another blood moon coming up on September 16th. I don't doubt that there are signs in the Heavens and that prophecy will eventually come to pass, but think about all the damage these false alarms cause to the Christian witness.

It seems like people just like the attention that comes from making predictions. At least over on you tube there's a new end of the world prophecy every month, and the videos predictably get thousands of views. Why?

 

[dysert]

Anyone remember the blood moons thing? Apparently there's another blood moon coming up on September 16th. I don't doubt that there are signs in the Heavens and that prophecy will eventually come to pass, but think about all the damage these false alarms cause to the Christian witness.

It seems like people just like the attention that comes from making predictions. At least over on you tube there's a new end of the world prophecy every month, and the videos predictably get thousands of views. Why?

I don't think there's anyone in this thread making any predictions.

As to why people are drawn to them, my guess is it's an indication of how much we're looking forward to going Home!

 

[Psalm3704]

Anyone remember the blood moons thing? Apparently there's another blood moon coming up on September 16th. I don't doubt that there are signs in the Heavens and that prophecy will eventually come to pass, but think about all the damage these false alarms cause to the Christian witness.

That's a Penumbral eclipse on Sept 16th. The blood moon for the rapture of the church found in Joel 2:30-31 and Revelation 6:12-13 is a total eclipse involving a "single" blood moon.

The blood moon you were thinking is a tetrad involving 4 consecutive blood moons. The tetrads in the past has always involved Israel, never the church, and will not occur again for another 500 years. (That's why people didn't get the rapture they were expecting). The blood moon mentioned in Joel 2:30-31 and Revelation 6:12-13 for the church occurs in the Winter season a Generation from Israel's independence (Matthew 24:32-35) and a Jubilee from the Six-Day War.

Use this guide. http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/lunar.html

Definition Penumbral eclipse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbra,_penumbra_and_antumbra#Penumbra

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse






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[Straightshot]

My comment


The biblical signs and warnings will not materialize until the tribulation begins and during the period .... then there will be no doubt

This period of the Lord's day has not yet begun and when it does there will be no doubt [Psalms 2, Revelation 6:12-17]

Only then will the signs and warnings revealed materialize .... anything outside of the scope is the speculation of men

 

[stephen583]

"When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke of a gigantic furnace. The sun and the sky were darkened by the smoke of the Abyss" (Revelation 9:2, NIV).

Yesterday North Korea detonated a 10 megaton nuclear weapon that registered on global seismic sensors as a 5.3 earthquake. Previously their tests were in the 1,000 kiloton range, equal to 1,000 tons of TNT. A ten megaton bomb on the other hand, is a city killer. North Korea is now a nuclear power, and can destroy cities the size of Soul, South Korea and San Francisco, California.

Madeleine Albright (Former U.S. Secretary of State) to the Council on Foreign Relations. "The time from conducting a test detonation of a nuclear device, to a country miniaturizing a warhead for a ballistic missile delivery is measured in months, not years" [End Quote].

How's that for a September surprise ?

 

[Straightshot]

No surprise .... the NKs have been touting for a long time .... and the regime is a bluffer

Iran is the bigger potential supplier of the Muslim factor and the Turks and Pakistani Muslims have the same already .... it is the Muslim religion that wants to bring apocalypse and would use clandestine nukes for sure

Nothing is scripture about NK except this possibility [Daniel 11:44]

The little horn will arise among the Middle Eastern Muslims according to the Lord's prophets [Micah 5]

 

[parousia70]

Short answer to your last question. God gives me the authority to interpret End Time Bible Prophecy.

Ok,
Typically I would ask what scripture you can point to that teaches that "God gives you the authority to interpret end times prophesy" but lets just assume you are correct for the moment....and if you are correct we can also assume that God gives me the same authority, right?
.... yet our interpretations are polar opposite from one another.
So, knowing we BOTH have been given the authority by God to interpret end times prophesy, how are our readers to determine which of our opposite interpretations are in fact "authoritative"?

 

[parousia70]

How's that for a September surprise ?

Kinda boring actually, and not really "new" or "surprising" information. And it's revelation certainly isn't going to result in any sort societal behavioral change here in the US (martial Law, suspnded elections, gun confiscation, etc ...)

What else ya got?

 

[parousia70]

The blood moon you were thinking is a tetrad involving 4 consecutive blood moons. The tetrads in the past has always involved Israel
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I'm going to need you to support this claim with some kind of evidence.