Bioshock?

[Theogonia]

Bioshock is a "mature" game, thus being exceedingly violent, laden with absurd amounts or profanity including the incredibly offensive use of our Lord's name in vain. If not for the use of our Lord's name in vain, I would probably try it out. Otherwise, if the developers want to blaspheme the name of God just because they do not believe in him, that is fine, just do not put it into your game!

Right because there's no other possible explanation other than that the developers want to tear down christianity and establish satan's empire, thus bringing about the apocalypse and the end of the world.

 

[FlaymSior]

Right because there's no other possible explanation other than that the developers want to tear down christianity and establish satan's empire, thus bringing about the apocalypse and the end of the world.

Actually it's kind of interesting with this question:
Is it justified to show a civilization without God to show them in the state of Godlessness they are in because they eliminated God?

 

[Gamezilla]

Actually it's kind of interesting with this question:
Is it justified to show a civilization without God to show them in the state of Godlessness they are in because they eliminated God?

That's actually how I see the story. When you first walk into Rapture (interesting name, huh?) there is a banner that says "No government or gods, just man", or something along those lines. It doesn't take long to get into rapture until you ultimately discover that something is terribly wrong with the place.

 

[Theogonia]

If in fact they were in a state of Godlessness, but I don't understand how your question is relevent, :\

Also the name Rapture, I don't think it has any kind of christian significance.

The place in the game was meant to be sort of an Eden if I remember correctly, hence the name "Rapture" based on the dictionary's definition.

 

[FlaymSior]

If in fact they were in a state of Godlessness, but I don't understand how your question is relevent, :\

Also the name Rapture, I don't think it has any kind of christian significance.

The place in the game was meant to be sort of an Eden if I remember correctly, hence the name "Rapture" based on the dictionary's definition.

No Kings, No God, Only Man

The foundation of Rapture was to eliminate all religious ties, including killing those who were smuggling in religious materials and artifacts. So does showing a city with no god except man justify the content, showing how bad it can be instead of promoting it?

 

[Theogonia]

Okay yeah I haven't played the game yet so I didn't know what you meant.

I think it definitely does justify the content.

 

[Loki]

Yo. Objectivism. And not portrayed kindly. If saying "No Kings, No Gods, only Man" is taking God's name in vain, then any atheistic, dystopian literature is taboo, too?

It's the exploration of a concept.

 

[cplsamcorion]

Yeah, I can see what the story is about. I did play the demo for the PC and it was apparent to me that the place was pretty disturbing and had an excellent environment. In the demo, not lasting any longer than 30 minutes I heard an instance of G.d. and it was not from one of the inhabitants of Rapture. The guy on the radio was saying it casually. I just find it offensive and I do not like hearing it. The game looks great, and the demo was pretty good. I emphasize again, the overall setting, the environment, the music, the creepiness is WELL done.

Most of the violence does not really bother me that much. I kind of see it as merely defending yourself. However, even though the game is set in a dystopia, the nudity and occurrences of Gd and the name of Jesus used in vain are enough to make me not want to play it. Sure, it is only a game, but what are the chances you will be influenced by being exposed to language and nudity willingly? Main reason is simply I do not like to hear the phrase.

I did get carried away in the last sentence or two of my previous post. However, it just angers me some because the game looks like it is very good. Oh well..

 

[Dannager]

Yeah, I can see what the story is about. I did play the demo for the PC and it was apparent to me that the place was pretty disturbing and had an excellent environment. In the demo, not lasting any longer than 30 minutes I heard an instance of G.d. and it was not from one of the inhabitants of Rapture. The guy on the radio was saying it casually. I just find it offensive and I do not like hearing it. The game looks great, and the demo was pretty good. I emphasize again, the overall setting, the environment, the music, the creepiness is WELL done.

Most of the violence does not really bother me that much. I kind of see it as merely defending yourself. However, even though the game is set in a dystopia, the nudity and occurrences of Gd and the name of Jesus used in vain are enough to make me not want to play it. Sure, it is only a game, but what are the chances you will be influenced by being exposed to language and nudity willingly? Main reason is simply I do not like to hear the phrase.

I did get carried away in the last sentence or two of my previous post. However, it just angers me some because the game looks like it is very good. Oh well..

...what nudity?

 

[Dannager]

No Kings, No God, Only Man

The foundation of Rapture was to eliminate all religious ties, including killing those who were smuggling in religious materials and artifacts. So does showing a city with no god except man justify the content, showing how bad it can be instead of promoting it?

First, the foundation of Rapture wasn't to eliminate all religious ties. The foundation of Rapture was to eliminate the influence of outside forces in dictating what a man could do with the product of his own work. Religion happened to be one of these influences, but Rapture wasn't founded specifically to get away from religion.

And the city doesn't fall apart because of its atheism. The city falls apart because its power-hungry founder compromises the principles on which the city was founded in order to consolidate his own power. Objectivist philosophy, properly applied, could actually produce a sustainable, functioning society. All you have to do is resist the temptation to hold a gun to someone's head.

 

[contagion]

I got this game the day it came out at 10AM as soon as the store opened. It took me about 20-25 hours of GREAT gameplay and the BEST storyline I've yet to witness in a video game. Bioshock is all about choice, the city, the gameplay, and yourself. You can choose to do what is right for less profit or do wrong for more. Nothing in the game disturbed me, I've got no problem seeing that the developers were trying to portray a destroyed utopia and they did a magnificent job. This is a strong contender for GOTY and if you're not overly conservative/sensitive I suggest you buy it. If video game plot concepts, violence, and language bother you, don't get it. However, if you pass it up, you're missing out terribly.

There are some parts which are disturbing, no doubt. And there's parts that are really scary in the dead of night in your basement with the sound cranked and the lights off. But the thing is, despite it being disturbing, despite the language and violence, the mature overtones and themes running throughout the game, IT'S ONE OF THE BEST GAMES IN YEARS. If this doesn't get GOTY then I'm gonna say COD4 will [playing the beta! ]. After playing through Bioshock for the first time and working again on the 2nd run on hard I can safely say I have a new favorite single player game. Buy it.

 

[OdwinOddball]

Most of the violence does not really bother me that much. I kind of see it as merely defending yourself. However, even though the game is set in a dystopia, the nudity and occurrences of Gd and the name of Jesus used in vain are enough to make me not want to play it. Sure, it is only a game, but what are the chances you will be influenced by being exposed to language and nudity willingly? Main reason is simply I do not like to hear the phrase.

Its so very sad that this attitude seems to be the norm for many of Americas Christians.

Extreme violence, no problem. But as soon as you catch even the merest hint of a naked woman or someone swearing, its off limits.

I can't believe ya'll don't see the problem with such views.

 

[Antiochian]

Oh wow, Bioshock is already out? Cool. I have to check it out when I get the chance.

 

[Theogonia]

Its so very sad that this attitude seems to be the norm for many of Americas Christians.

Extreme violence, no problem. But as soon as you catch even the merest hint of a naked woman or someone swearing, its off limits.

I can't believe ya'll don't see the problem with such views.

Excellent sig.

 

[cplsamcorion]

Yes, I know. Not taking the Lord's name in vain is a direct command and I think that in any way his name is used not to glorify him breaks that command. Nudity (leads to lust and unpure thoughts, even if it is just a game) is also directly spoken against. Extreme violence is not something I condone. There are games out that I do not play because the violence is either too extreme and/or it is completely unmerited. Take GTA for example. I do not play it because it is needless violence. There is no justification for the violence. Manhunt 2 and the Postal games, are also incredibly violent and the violence is unmerited.

Condemned: Criminal Origins I do not like either. Sure, fighting off insane criminals is justifiable because you are defending yourself, but the "finishing moves" where you can violently kill the people (who are on their knees dazed). Also, another example is Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater. The move where you can slit guards' throats.. strictly uncalled for. When I played that game I passed on that move altogether.

The violence in Bioshock is merely defending yourself against crazy, sub-human "animals." Sure, you have the choice to kill the Little Sisters, but if I did play the game I would choose not to kill them unnecessarily, and save them.

I do not condone all violence. Christianity is not a religion of pacifism, contrary to many peoples' beliefs. Violence in the name of good is certainly justified. Any other kind of violence is certainly not acceptable. What I mean by in the name of good does not mean that being violent towards people that have different beliefs than you at all. Violence is a last resort, in such extreme cases as if you are protecting your family or someone else.

I might be wrong about the violence in Bioshock being justified. I have not played anything other than the demo so I do not know what the rest of the game is like.

 

[FlaymSior]

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Note that the opposite of pacifism isn't violence, it's aggression, and one can be aggressive without being violent. Thought I'd point that out.

And to OdwinOddball... where is it extreme violence? So far as I see, the most extreme you get is mellee with a wrench and burnt bodies hittin the floor. Extreme would be decapitation or amputation. Extreme would be goin round drilling people in the head, gut, or crotch every chance you got as a Big Daddy. Extreme would be killing helpless people who showed no sign of aggression. So... where's the extreme? Excessive? Yes, it's a long game with lots of Splicers.

 

[Dannager]

Nudity (leads to lust and unpure thoughts, even if it is just a game) is also directly spoken against.

First, what nudity?

Second, looking at women leads to impure thoughts. Nudity just makes it so that your mind doesn't have to go through all the effort of imagining her naked.

 

[Dannager]

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Note that the opposite of pacifism isn't violence, it's aggression, and one can be aggressive without being violent. Thought I'd point that out.

And to OdwinOddball... where is it extreme violence? So far as I see, the most extreme you get is mellee with a wrench and burnt bodies hittin the floor. Extreme would be decapitation or amputation. Extreme would be goin round drilling people in the head, gut, or crotch every chance you got as a Big Daddy. Extreme would be killing helpless people who showed no sign of aggression. So... where's the extreme? Excessive? Yes, it's a long game with lots of Splicers.

Uh...the doctor? Cohen? Suchong? Ryan? Are you playing the same Bioshock we are?

 

[FlaymSior]

Uh...the doctor? Cohen? Suchong? Ryan? Are you playing the same Bioshock we are?

Okay, you've got a point with Ryan... that was a bit much... I was pounding my controller screaming "Choose!" the first time I played it as if it'd make a difference. Stupid mind control. It's got one of my clansman saying "Would you kindly" to everyone. "Would you kindly die and never respawn" type of things.

The rest is more gore than anything as it's not participated in but observed.
But that's just this observer's two cents.

 

[Gamezilla]

First, what nudity?

Second, looking at women leads to impure thoughts. Nudity just makes it so that your mind doesn't have to go through all the effort of imagining her naked.

I'm wondering the same thing. I've looked all over and yet to see any nudity.