Biden's Open Borders

[rjs330]

With Trump's wall it was easier just to cut through it with reciprocating saw available for $79.95 (about 1500 Pesos) at convenient Home Depot locations across norhern Mexico.

I'm sure that happened a lot. It was all over the news how the fence was cut in thousands of places. Right?

 

[rjs330]

I would submit to you that scaring everyone away from the border is not the same as securing it. On is temporary, the other long term.

But its a start. The rest is up to Congreas and I honestly dont have a lot of hope for them.

 

[Belk]

But its a start. The rest is up to Congreas and I honestly dont have a lot of hope for them.

They have been pretty ineffectual to date. Though we as the American public are at least partly to blame with our desire for cheap labor while despising the laborer.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Democrats, taking them at their word, should be pleased that somehow, without the Democrat border bill, the Trump administration has been able to secure the border. As to fossil fuels, those fuels come from nature, and those fuels keep people from freezing and power the machinery to bring food and water to so many of the poor and hungry of the world.

Other than the masked rendition squads (which aren't actually at the border) I can't tell what is different. (I'm sure the Texas policy foundation was useful in that twisted defense of FFs.)

 

[Valletta]

Other than the masked rendition squads (which aren't actually at the border) I can't tell what is different. (I'm sure the Texas policy foundation was useful in that twisted defense of FFs.)

IMAGINE THAT: Homicides Are Down 60 Percent in Denver Following ICE Deportations | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance

The liberal ‘sanctuary city’ of Denver, Colorado is experiencing an outbreak of law and order, following the deportation of criminal illegal immigrants by ICE.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[wing2000]

They have been pretty ineffectual to date. Though we as the American public are at least partly to blame with our desire for cheap labor while despising the laborer.

I'm sure Trump's DOJ will be cracking down on US employers of illegal immigrants any day now....

 

[Valletta]

I'm sure Trump's DOJ will be cracking down on US employers of illegal immigrants any day now....

Bringing in 10 million people in four years wasn't about cheap labor, it was an attempt to seize control and make our country a one-party country.

 

[Belk]

IMAGINE THAT: Homicides Are Down 60 Percent in Denver Following ICE Deportations | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance

The liberal ‘sanctuary city’ of Denver, Colorado is experiencing an outbreak of law and order, following the deportation of criminal illegal immigrants by ICE.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

 

[Belk]

Bringing in 10 million people in four years wasn't about cheap labor, it was an attempt to seize control and make our country a one-party country.

Conspiracy theory forum is that a way ---->

 

[Hans Blaster]

@Valletta In what period?

How many deportations in Denver?

 

[rjs330]

They have been pretty ineffectual to date. Though we as the American public are at least partly to blame with our desire for cheap labor while despising the laborer.

I dont think that's true. I dont think we Americans despise the laborer at all. Most of us are laborers.

I think both sides of this issue aren't really interested in getting rid of illegal labor. Such as the food industry. But I honestly think is mostly politicians who are the problem. They are scared that if food prices go up becauae we had to pay more for labor then they would be out of a job.

But I've said many times, I'm perfectly fine paying higher costs if it means we get legal labor.

 

[rjs330]

I'm sure Trump's DOJ will be cracking down on US employers of illegal immigrants any day now....

Yeah, I dont see that happening any time soon. From either party. It honestly should be part of a comprehensive program to reform the system in its totality. Neither party has the will to do that.

At least Teump is doing something, even though its not going to be enough in the end. Congress needs to act, and I dont see that happening any time soon. No matter who is in charge.

 

[rjs330]

IMAGINE THAT: Homicides Are Down 60 Percent in Denver Following ICE Deportations | The Gateway Pundit | by Mike LaChance

The liberal ‘sanctuary city’ of Denver, Colorado is experiencing an outbreak of law and order, following the deportation of criminal illegal immigrants by ICE.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This is good! We all knew that deportations would help lower crime. What happens is the criminals start to realize they have to cut back on how they do things in order to stay out of the light. They will still do criminal things, but not so frequently or violently. Which is good for everyone.

No one is ever going to suggest that getting rid of these criminals is going to end all crime. But it does help in lowering the activity. Which is the goal.

 

[BCP1928]

I don't

I dont think that's true. I dont think we Americans despise the laborer at all. Most of us are laborers.

I think both sides of this issue aren't really interested in getting rid of illegal labor. Such as the food industry. But I honestly think is mostly politicians who are the problem. They are scared that if food prices go up becauae we had to pay more for labor then they would be out of a job.

But I've said many times, I'm perfectly fine paying higher costs if it means we get legal labor.

I don't see that ICE is making any special effort with workplace enforcement. What I see is a move against those who can work here legally (asylum seekers, refugees, etc.)

 

[Hans Blaster]

@Valletta In what period?

How many deportations in Denver?

I found a source:

Homicides in Denver, 2025: Denver Crimes

A detailed look at homicides in Denver in 2025, with neighborhood rankings, recent reported crimes, and a homicide crime map. Published by Denver Crimes.

denvercrimes.com

9, yes *nine*, in the first 4 1/2 months or 2/month. (last year was 5/month over the whole year) We need to have a conversation about small number statistics, but I don't have time for that right now.

 

[wing2000]

Yeah, I dont see that happening any time soon. From either party. It honestly should be part of a comprehensive program to reform the system in its totality. Neither party has the will to do that.

At least Teump is doing something, even though its not going to be enough in the end. Congress needs to act, and I dont see that happening any time soon. No matter who is in charge.

Trump doesn't need Congress to enforce existing laws. AG Bondi can order a review of x company's employment records at any time.

 

[wing2000]

Bringing in 10 million people in four years wasn't about cheap labor, it was an attempt to seize control and make our country a one-party country.

One party country? We already have that. The Democratic party is the only functioning party.

 

[Belk]

I dont think that's true. I dont think we Americans despise the laborer at all. Most of us are laborers.

You don't think we despise illegal immigrants? Have you seen how they are treated by segments of our society? Exploited for labor. Vilified as "job stealers" or worse in conservative media? Pandered to and then patronized by liberals. We certainly treat them like we despise them.

I think both sides of this issue aren't really interested in getting rid of illegal labor. Such as the food industry. But I honestly think is mostly politicians who are the problem. They are scared that if food prices go up becauae we had to pay more for labor then they would be out of a job.

Baloney. The politicians are simply following the will of the people. We want the cheap labor and are willing to look the other way to keep our exploited class. Otherwise we would find our voice to demand that we implement a solution to ensure illegals are not being hired. We all know it would be easy enough to do, we even have the technology in place, we just need to mandate its use.

But I've said many times, I'm perfectly fine paying higher costs if it means we get legal labor.

I would be fine paying more as well though I'm guessing we are likely both likely on the "better off" side of the spectrum as far as consumers are concerned.

Still I really want congress to come up with as better solution that would allow migrant workers to come up and work the fields and then return home in a reasonable fashion that would help our farmers. My father in law farms in eastern Washington and while he does not use day laborers a lot of his friends do. The small family farmers need the cheap labor to compete with the large agro business and stay afloat. They can't afford to hire Americans to come pick apples or buy the expensive equipment needed to harvest hops on an industrial scale. So it either all goes giant agro corps or we figure out a rational alternative.

 

[rjs330]

Trump doesn't need Congress to enforce existing laws. AG Bondi can order a review of x company's employment records at any time.

Does the law require all employers to use e-verify? What's the penalty for failing to use it?

 

[rjs330]

You don't think we despise illegal immigrants? Have you seen how they are treated by segments of our society? Exploited for labor. Vilified as "job stealers" or worse in conservative media? Pandered to and then patronized by liberals. We certainly treat them like we despise them.

I dont think they are despised. I think what what they are doing is heavily disliked by people. Those same people would be welcome if they came here legally.

I dont think employers who hire them despise them. I think they are taking advantage of them. Not out of hatred but out of opportunity.

We are all pandered to in some extent by our parties. No because they despise us, but because they want to obtain or keep power.

Baloney. The politicians are simply following the will of the people. We want the cheap labor and are willing to look the other way to keep our exploited class. Otherwise we would find our voice to demand that we implement a solution to ensure illegals are not being hired. We all know it would be easy enough to do, we even have the technology in place, we just need to mandate its use.

I disagree. Most people haven't got a clue. If you were to ask the average person if they are okay with people being exploited so they can have cheap tomatoes they'd say no.

Where are the "people" demanding that we have cheap labor from illegals?

This is based upon politicians fear of what would happen if they did something about it, like require e-verify and offer a lot more green cards for work easier to obtain.

Still I really want congress to come up with as better solution that would allow migrant workers to come up and work the fields and then return home in a reasonable fashion that would help our farmers.

Totally agree.