Biden's Open Borders

[rjs330]

That's why they get hearings--or were supposed to get hearings--before you deport them.

No they dont get hearings. Not unless they ask for one.

 

[rjs330]

You don't know that. Or at least that has not been the case historically.

As to your earlier question: My point is, the Trump Adminstration has not made employment enforcement a priority. And yes, prior administrations have not either. We know why that is....large sectors (hospitality, construction, etc) rely heavily on illegal immigrations. It's been decades in the making...and won't be reversed overnight.

No it won't. But at least the government is trying to a point. I'm not satisfied that Congress is going to do a darn thing.

 

[Hans Blaster]

No they dont get hearings. Not unless they ask for one.

It takes a hearing to sort out an asylum case.

 

[BCP1928]

No they dont get hearings. Not unless they ask for one.

They do ask for one. That's how it works. They don't sneak in, they come in openly any way they can and turn themselves in to the first Border Patrol they come to and ask for asylum.

 

[Belk]

No, most of them are taking advantage of the system. They aren't legit. And most people have no clue if the seeker is legit or not. And since we know most aren't, its easy to believe they aren't. If we had actual faith in the system it would be different. We would know that the seekers are mostly likely legit and would accept them. We are a very welcoming people if we know people are here legally and they aren't just taking advantage of us.

How is applying for asylum, something they are legally allowed to do to see if they qualify, taking advantage of the system? If I apply for a loan in even if I don't have perfect credit am I taking advantage of the bank?

Are you referring to that stupid poem that has nothing to do with our constitution and laws?

Yes, that stupid Irving Berlin, who did he think he was?

Are we supposed to br a countrey of laws or not? Were the laws actually created in order to allow as many people in as possible regardless? Is asking people to come legally and not dishonesty running some sort of gauntlet?

Who said anything about laws? I'm talking about the gauntlet of how the people burn here treat those who try to immigrate. Look at how each successive wave of immigrants are demonized. From Italians, to Irish, to Germans, to Chinese, each group has to deal with the abuse heaped upon them from the groups previously integrated.

That's not the point. I think i was pretty clear.

Apparently not. What are you trying to convey?

Or maybe there are just a lot of clueless people out there. People like you and me are very politically minded and pay attention. We aren't the norm in society.

Yup.

I thought we agreed that both sides are not willing to get rid of illegal immigration? You aren't really going back to the "one side doesn't want legal immigrants" again are you?

No, I agree, both sides are not willing to get rid of immigration. However the tone and reasoning put forward at the grassroots level is different on each side.

It seems you are not really willing to understand the concerns.

By all means, share your great enlightenment.

 

[rjs330]

It takes a hearing to sort out an asylum case.

Yes I know that. I have been involved with too many threads and forgot what topic I was on LOL.

Must be my age!

 

[rjs330]

How is applying for asylum, something they are legally allowed to do to see if they qualify, taking advantage of the system? If I apply for a loan in even if I don't have perfect credit am I taking advantage of the bank?

They take advantage by coming in illegally then as soon as they are caught, claim asylum just to get to stay and not get deported. Its nothing like a bank because with the bank you aren't doing anything illegal.

Yes, that stupid Irving Berlin, who did he think he was?

Yes it was a stupid poem that has nothing to do with our laws or constitution.

Who said anything about laws?

I am. That's what matters. Legal immigrants are welcome. Illegals are not. People who lie and cheat and commit crimes to come here are not the kind of people we want.

Apparently not. What are you trying to convey?

If Americans were willing to do tge work for the same money the companies would hire them. I think its money driven and not disdain for a certain group of people driven.

By all means, share your great enlightenment.

I have. You aren't willing to listen to the concerns. It hasn't been just me.

 

[BCP1928]

They take advantage by coming in illegally then as soon as they are caught, claim asylum just to get to stay and not get deported. Its nothing like a bank because with the bank you aren't doing anything illegal.

Neither are they, really. They come in openly and turn themselves in as soon as they can. They also understand that they have committed a misdemeanor by crossing undocumented that will be taken into account at their hearing. What it amounts to is that if their asylum claims is upheld. their original entry becomes constructively legal. If there was Border Patrol present when they crossed, then their entry was legal in any case.

Yes it was a stupid poem that has nothing to do with our laws or constitution.

I am. That's what matters. Legal immigrants are welcome. Illegals are not. People who lie and cheat and commit crimes to come here are not the kind of people we want.

Well, no. But we aren't talking about those people.

If Americans were willing to do tge work for the same money the companies would hire them. I think its money driven and not disdain for a certain group of people driven.

I have. You aren't willing to listen to the concerns. It hasn't been just me.

There are many valid concerns. That they have committed some heinous unforgivable crime just by crossing the border undocumented is not one of them

 

[Belk]

They take advantage by coming in illegally then as soon as they are caught, claim asylum just to get to stay and not get deported. Its nothing like a bank because with the bank you aren't doing anything illegal.

How dare they use the system as it was designed!

Yes it was a stupid poem that has nothing to do with our laws or constitution.

Stupid dumb poem talking about our freedoms and peoples and how we can be an aspirational country of people who have thrown off the yoke of repression through labor and common humanity!

I am. That's what matters. Legal immigrants are welcome. Illegals are not. People who lie and cheat and commit crimes to come here are not the kind of people we want.

And, as I have pointed out repeatedly, those who come here legally are not the kind you want either

If Americans were willing to do tge work for the same money the companies would hire them. I think its money driven and not disdain for a certain group of people driven.

Yes, they would. But, again, no American is willing to be exploited like that.

I have. You aren't willing to listen to the concerns. It hasn't been just me.

Around in circles we go.

 

[rjs330]

How dare they use the system as it was designed!

I actually dont believe that was the intent of the system. When it was created we didn't see what we see now. A bunch of lying border crossers taking advantage of the system and a government who turns a blind eye as they dissappear into ths population.

Stupid dumb poem talking about our freedoms and peoples and how we can be an aspirational country of people who have thrown off the yoke of repression through labor and common humanity!

A stupid poem that the socialist French loved that had nothing to do with our Constitution and laws. We threw off the yoke of oppression in our own place. You aren't throwing off the yoke of oppression if you just run away and go somewhere else.

Out country has had immigration laws for a long time. And there were times we didn't allow any.

And, as I have pointed out repeatedly, those who come here legally are not the kind you want either

You are incorrect.

Yes, they would. But, again, no American is willing to be exploited like that.

Doesnt change a thing I said.

Around in circles we go.

Yes as long as you continue to ignore our concerns.

 

[Belk]

I actually dont believe that was the intent of the system. When it was created we didn't see what we see now. A bunch of lying border crossers taking advantage of the system and a government who turns a blind eye as they dissappear into ths population.

Then it needs to be changed

A stupid poem that the socialist French loved that had nothing to do with our Constitution and laws. We threw off the yoke of oppression in our own place. You aren't throwing off the yoke of oppression if you just run away and go somewhere else.

Your opinion is noted

Out country has had immigration laws for a long time. And there were times we didn't allow any.

Indeed. There were many times we did not live up to our ideals.

You are incorrect.

No, no I don't think so

Doesnt change a thing I said.

Nor does it change what we are doing

Yes as long as you continue to ignore our concerns.

I have literally asked you to share them.

 

[rjs330]

Then it needs to be changed

Completely agree.

Your opinion is noted

Thanks

Indeed. There were many times we did not live up to our ideals.

They were never our ideals.

No, no I don't think so

You are entitled to an incorrect opinion.

Nor does it change what we are doing

Still doesn't change what I said.

I have literally asked you to share them.

They've been shared in many places and threads and you have ignored them. No need to rinse and repeat.

 

[BCP1928]

They were never our ideals.

Who do you mean by "our?"

 

[Belk]

Completely agree.

Thanks

They were never our ideals.

Yes they were.

You are entitled to an incorrect opinion.

Still doesn't change what I said.

They've been shared in many places and threads and you have ignored them. No need to rinse and repeat.

If you say so.

 

[rjs330]

Who do you mean by "our?"

The United States. What's on a socialists Frenchmans crummy poem has nothing to do with our ideals. Just cause someone wrote it on a plaque doesn't mean its now part of our government policy.

 

[rjs330]

Yes they were.

No they weren't.

If you say so.

Yup.

 

[Belk]

No they weren't.

Yes they were. You can tell by all the "stupid poems" and songs and mythos written about it.

Yup.

 

[Beth77]

How did they get over Trump's wall?

A wall stops entry for some while only slowing entry for others. The idea is that the wall provides time for U.S. personnel to respond. However, if no personnel are assigned then a wall will not stop all intruders.

The White House has a fence, but it cannot stop all intruders. However, it does give the Secret Service time to respond to an incursion so that they can quickly apprehend the intruder. The fence would be ineffective without personnel available to respond.

 

[rjs330]

Yes they were. You can tell by all the "stupid poems" and songs and mythos written about it.

Which stupid song and mythos are you referring to?

 

[Belk]

Which stupid song and mythos are you referring to?

All the ones speaking to the US and a golden land of opportunity for immigrants.