Biden gets Fact Checked

[Hammster]

HAHA! So what?
The ex/president talks about what he does? What would you expect?

The question is: Did he misrepresent his ability?

I'll certainly grant that could be annoying but honestly, since I don't really know the context of the speech or what he was talking about, this complaint sounds like a whooooooole lot of bluster.

Of course it does to you. I wouldn’t expect Obama supporters to see anything wrong. But I pointed this out to my Trump supporting friends in ‘16. They were trading one arrogant man for another.

 

[rambot]

My problem is that I would need to listen to the speech. But fact is that listening to a whole speech by any politician is beyond a repugnant idea.

And sorry but I have to call you on this. I write "I can certainly grant that would be annoying"....and you next post is "I wouldn't expect Obama supporters to see anything wrong.
So you didn't read the part where I said what o could already grant as being wrong? It was annoying?
I mean I wouldn't say I'm an Obama supporter anyways, lukewarm. Not because he was bad but because he wasnt good enough.

 

[Fantine]

A few reasons why I have so much more confidence in Biden than I did with Trump:

• he has appointed people with a wide breadth of experience in the departments they are leading. He hasn't appointed a single lobbyist; nor has he appointed anyone who contributed millions of dollars to his campaign.
• he listens to those people. He trusts their advice.
• he reads their reports. He meets regularly with them.

I have been impressed by the enormous progress he has made in less than 100 days. His relevant experience--serving in the United States Senate, a very contentious and polarized group, for many years. He knows how to negotiate, to compromise, to listen to his colleagues. He has strong people skills, which shows in his compassion and empathy. We are a nation that badly needs healing, and while it seems like a near impossible task, I can't think of anyone who has better skills to attempt it.

 

[Hammster]

My problem is that I would need to listen to the speech. But fact is that listening to a whole speech by any politician is beyond a repugnant idea.

And sorry but I have to call you on this. I write "I can certainly grant that would be annoying"....and you next post is "I wouldn't expect Obama supporters to see anything wrong.
So you didn't read the part where I said what o could already grant as being wrong? It was annoying?
I mean I wouldn't say I'm an Obama supporter anyways, lukewarm. Not because he was bad but because he wasnt good enough.

Well, I’m not an Obama supporter, and not really a Trump supporter, either, though I did agree with more Trump policies than Obama policies. But I saw then both as equally arrogant. Obama was just smother about it.

 

[SimplyMe]

Of course it does to you. I wouldn’t expect Obama supporters to see anything wrong. But I pointed this out to my Trump supporting friends in ‘16. They were trading one arrogant man for another.

Sorry, I agree with Rambot; I don't see where Obama was particularly arrogant. Sure, you can probably make the claim any President is arrogant -- they basically have to be to even run for the job, much less get elected.

And, not that it should matter, I voted for Romney in 2012, so I wasn't some type of Obama supporter and did not think he was a great president (though not one of the worse, either).

 

[Hammster]

Sorry, I agree with Rambot; I don't see where Obama was particularly arrogant. Sure, you can probably make the claim any President is arrogant -- they basically have to be to even run for the job, much less get elected.

And, not that it should matter, I voted for Romney in 2012, so I wasn't some type of Obama supporter and did not think he was a great president (though not one of the worse, either).

I did give evidence of his arrogance. What I cannot do is make people believe it. But now we are off topic. I only wanted to point out that whataboutism isn’t helpful.

 

[SimplyMe]

Well, I’m not an Obama supporter, and not really a Trump supporter, either, though I did agree with more Trump policies than Obama policies. But I saw then both as equally arrogant. Obama was just smother about it.

I'm sorry, if you can show me where Obama ever claimed he "has the best words," that he was the "greatest of all presidents," about how smart he was, etc. then maybe I could agree Obama was as arrogant. The fact is, for all that Trump claimed to be "greatest" at, I can't think of any President that rises to his level of arrogance.

 

[SimplyMe]

Well, I’m not an Obama supporter, and not really a Trump supporter, either, though I did agree with more Trump policies than Obama policies. But I saw then both as equally arrogant. Obama was just smother about it.

No, as I show above, Trump was in a whole other level of arrogance. And you seemed to be the one initially claiming that Obama and Trump were equally arrogant.

 

[Pommer]

Sorry, I agree with Rambot; I don't see where Obama was particularly arrogant. Sure, you can probably make the claim any President is arrogant -- they basically have to be to even run for the job, much less get elected.

And, not that it should matter, I voted for Romney in 2012, so I wasn't some type of Obama supporter and did not think he was a great president (though not one of the worse, either).

Altemeyer’s The Authoritarians points out that authoritarian-followers believe that “the opposition” is “just like us but wrong”.

 

[Hammster]

I'm sorry, if you can show me where Obama ever claimed he "has the best words," that he was the "greatest of all presidents," about how smart he was, etc. then maybe I could agree Obama was as arrogant. The fact is, for all that Trump claimed to be "greatest" at, I can't think of any President that rises to his level of arrogance.

And...there’s the problem.

 

[Hammster]

No, as I show above, Trump was in a whole other level of arrogance. And you seemed to be the one initially claiming that Obama and Trump were equally arrogant.

They were equally arrogant. That doesn’t mean they were arrogant in the same way.

 

[SimplyMe]

They were equally arrogant. That doesn’t mean they were arrogant in the same way.

So then you should be able to show how arrogant Obama was, other than simply a speech or two where he said "I" numerous times. Instead, not only did Trump say "I" all the time, he made numerous other claims about how he was the "greatest" of any number of skills. Not sure how that makes them equally arrogant (other than in your biased opinion), in either the same or different ways.

 

[Hammster]

So then you should be able to show how arrogant Obama was, other than simply a speech or two where he said "I" numerous times. Instead, not only did Trump say "I" all the time, he made numerous other claims about how he was the "greatest" of any number of skills. Not sure how that makes them equally arrogant (other than in your biased opinion), in either the same or different ways.

I don’t see how it doesn’t make them equally arrogant, other than your biased opinion.

 

[SimplyMe]

I don’t see how it doesn’t make them equally arrogant, other than your biased opinion.

Most others here can, though.

 

[Hammster]

Most others here can, though.

You act as if Trump is the bar, and anyone who isn’t as arrogant is okay.

 

[Vylo]

I don’t see how it doesn’t make them equally arrogant, other than your biased opinion.

One of them literally lived in a golden tower with his name on it.

 

[Hammster]

One of them literally lived in a golden tower with his name on it.

I see. Trump is the bar, anyone less arrogant is not really arrogant, as long as he’s compared to Trump.

 

[Ringo84]

"Both sides are equally the same. I'm so very smart!"
Ringo

 

[rambot]

I did give evidence of his arrogance. What I cannot do is make people believe it. But now we are off topic. I only wanted to point out that whataboutism isn’t helpful.

Well, you didn't give evidence of "arrogance" (assuming we are both using the definition that I provided waay before to avoid conflating "arrogance" with something that is not arrogance). You gave examples of him giving speeches where he MENTIONS himself or a first person pronoun; but without context of individual quotes or examples.
Sorry but that isn't arrogance. I even asked you at the start of this discussion how you defined those words and you didn't have much to say. So if you want to keep arguing that Obama is "arrogant" but not give an explanation of what arrogance is, you'll have to forgive the rest of us if we are not exactly "on board" with your conflation of Obama and Trump both being arrogant.

 

[Hank77]

You act as if Trump is the bar, and anyone who isn’t as arrogant is okay.

Yes, there are different behavior and thought levels caused by a negative trait just as there is for a positive trait.

When there is one who says that he (paraph.) "knows more than the generals", "the scientists, etc." and feels comfortable making fun of a journalist who is physically impaired this is a whole new bar that Trump has set.
It's a phenomenon never before seen from a President in this country, that I know of.