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Featured Biblical Timeline leading up to the end

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Dave L, Apr 10, 2019.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The gospel is to be preached to the nations before the end comes.

    Jesus referred to Daniel the prophet and the abomination of desolation which is in Daniel 12.

    Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    Can we say the part in blue applied to 70 ad? Or to our present time?
     
  2. Erik Nelson

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    was already in the first century

    Bible Prophecy- The Rapture: The Gospel Has Been Preached

    The Gospel Has Been Preached

    Romans 10:17-18
    So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
    18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

    Romans 16:25-26
    Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
    26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

    Colossians 1:5-6
    5For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
    6Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

    Colossians 1:23
    If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
     
  3. Dave L

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    Jesus told his present audience to leave Jerusalem when they saw certain things coming together. He claimed it would be the worst tribulation the world would ever see. The all left Jerusalem according to history as the destruction began. This tribulation was Jewish only, and is well past happening in 70 AD. Then Christian tribulation spans the time between Jesus' first and second coming. At the end of time, it will be as in Noah's day, much like today, marrying and giving in marriage and people saying peace and safety 1 Thessalonians 5:1–3 just before the Day of the Lord.
     
  4. Dave L

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    Jesus said so.
     
  5. Dave L

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    There are two tribulations in Matthew 24. The Jewish great tribulation of 70 AD and the Christian tribulation that spans the New Covenant era culminating in the days of Noah and the Day of the Lord.
     
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  6. Erik Nelson

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    God gave Earth 120 years of a grace period. During the days of Noah. God gave National Israel. 40 years. Of grace period from the crucifixion to the destruction of the temple in the year 70. I think that is the major parallel. Why Jesus gave and made an analogy and allusion to the story of Noah? Because just as there was a grace period in the days of Noah so there was a grace period. In the first century also.
     
  7. Dave L

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    You are missing the point trying to make your own.
     
  8. Erik Nelson

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    How is that again? The references to Noah. Apply to 70 AD.
     
  9. Erik Nelson

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    1 John 2:18. Clearly says. That, it was the last hour. When John wrote that letter. And everyone widely acknowledges that John wrote that letter after he wrote his gospel. That, he refers. To his gospel in the letter. And that the letter reflects a very late period. In the first century. Something like 90-100 AD.

    If so, we have a clear last days last hour reference. After the year 70 AD?

    Any connection to the confusing similarity of the dragon in revelation 12 to the beast in revelation 13 and revelation 17?


     
  10. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Hi Erik,

    In 1John2:18, it is John himself speaking.

    Differently,

    1. In Revelation 17, the ten horns being kings for one hour, it is an angel informing John.

    2. In Revelation 13:5, the way John worded the text - "it was given unto him", it appears that John was being told about the length of time (42 months), of what he saw taking place of the beast's rule. John probably saw glimpses of the beast's 42 months reign, like we would see a video of hitler's reign.

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    So, I think any connection John is making in 1John2 - is that it will be common place when the Antichrist person comes, there will be persons departing Christianity, and denying Jesus.
     
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  11. Dave L

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    They do not. After the great tribulation Jesus says "Then" certain things would happen. and "after the tribulation of those days" begin the days of Noah leading up to the end. Matthew 24 has 4 distinct divisions that recapitulate.
     
  12. Erik Nelson

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    How would you address the following arguments? For example, both Jesus and Paul Applied Jeremiah 30 to the first century.

    Everyone acknowledges that the Olivet discourse deals with End times and it does seem rather arbitrary to insert multi thousand year gaps in between. Random pairs of verses. In what is obviously a single unified discourse?

     
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  13. Erik Nelson

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    Well doesn't Saint John. Explicitly say that things like that were occurring to him and his flocks during the first century? He says things like they went out from us and so we know that they were never really of us.

    Again, as a general rule, the new Test Testament was written for us, but it was never written to us. We are not the original audience the New Testament authors had in mind. When they wrote.
     
  14. Dave L

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    I'm not sure I trust Preston as a preterist. But I think a careful study of Matthew 24 shows 4 distinct divisions placing the great tribulation first, and the days of Noah last.
     
  15. parousia70

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    That's Easy Dougg, it happened in exactly the same way scripture depicts God as having destroyed the universe when he judged Israel through Babylon (Jeremiah 4:22-30), and depicts Him doing so again when he judged Egypt by Babylon's King Nebuchadnezzar (Ezekiel 32:1-16).

    It's how the Bible discusses the fall of a Nation.
     
  16. Erik Nelson

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    Where would you place the divisions?
     
  17. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Hi Erik,

    If Don Preston had stuck to what the bible says - he would not be talking about birth pangs.

    Here is what it says,

    Matthe 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    Sorrows, not birth pangs.

    He changed what the text said regarding sorrows with birth pangs - and then says at minute 4:40 that how can the great tribulation be in our future. I stopped right there.

    People do that sort of things all the time. Most commonly with changing kings in Revelation 17:10 to kingdoms.

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    There are verses in the bible regarding Jesus and the Jews coming to believe upon him and be delivered. But it has to do with the end times, our generation, a nation born in a day, Israel, May 14, 1948. the Jews coming out of the nations (the earth) at the end of WWII.

    The great tribulation is yet to come, and it is during that time that the Jews, Israel will become Christians.

    Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

    8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. [Erik, it is at the first part of the great tribulation that the Jews will become Christians, having realized their error in thinking the Antichrist was their messiah at the beginning of the 7 years]

    9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
     
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  18. Dave L

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    First division from the time spoken until end of world 1-14;

    Second Division 70 AD until end of world 15-22;

    Third division near end of world through end of world 23-28.

    Commentary and advise about the end 29-51.

    Matthew 24
     
  19. Erik Nelson

    Erik Nelson Well-Known Member Supporter

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    we must read Matthew 24:8 in the original Greek, not modern English

    the primary meaning is the pangs of childbirth

    Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
     
  20. Erik Nelson

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    Well, that still seems like a rather arbitrary set of division. A rather contrived way of parsing the Olivet discourse.

    Matthew 24:34, everything would happen to that generation, Appears to apply to everything Jesus has said. Up to that point.
     
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