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itis easy to make a list of false accusations as all the personhas to do is a surface reading and say, 'ah ha, there is an error ...' and make a list.

to rebut such lists takes time, research, thought, prayer and once one makes ananswer there is no guarantee that the initial poster and his friends will accept such thinking; or just dismiss hours of work with a stupid comment or off topic reply that encompasses a sentence or two, if that.

don't expect a quick response to this thread or your post.

I think his point is valid: there are some among you who preach that we should take the bible at face value in all things. Once it is proven that "face value" is wrong, only THEN do you look for a more symbolic meaning of the scripture.

Given that attitude, no Christian would have ever sailed over the horizon because the bible indicates the world is flat. No Christian would have ever poked a telescope towards the sky because all the stars were really just tiny moons, just like the bible says.

Do you understand how it looks when we constantly use the bible to say things are one way when it's proven they're another way? Does it not discredit the bible? Does it not make us look like we have no claim on truth?

The only answer: let science work things out its own way. Put your faith in things that matter. Understand that God might have a different purpose in His word other than what we think.
 
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The only answer: let science work things out its own way

translation: let us keep disobeying God. sorry but secular science is wrong and headed in the wrong direction.

no Christian would have ever sailed over the horizon because the bible indicates the world is flat

this is tiresome as well. keep trotting out what the Bible doesn't teach to say the Bible or christians would hinder any progress. talk about a gross assumption.

Do you understand how it looks when we constantly use the bible to say things are one way when it's proven they're another way

it doesn't matter how it looks, what matters is that those who say they follow God, follow God.

God is the only one who needs to be please. the world will not recieve the truth if His followers follow the world.

Does it not discredit the bible

No. it just shows that as in noah's days people will reject salvation, the truth and God because it looks ridiculous to them. (paul mentions this as well.)

then when the time comes, they will realize their error and change their mind but then it willbe too late.

Does it not make us look like we have no claim on truth

no. Jesus is the truth not secular science all you have done by adopting and accepting evolution is say :'God is wrong the secular world is right" how can we win souls when that attitude is proclaimed?

Put your faith in things that matter

we are, that is why we preach against evolution. it isn't true or the truth.

Understand that God might have a different purpose in His word other than what we think.

understand your motivations for saying things like this.

believers are to preach jesus, God and the Bible not the Jesus, God and science.
 
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Well, it's been a while since I posted anything, so I thought I would post some of the Bible's teachings on biology!

Now, I must give credit to google for providing the information on ants and the ostrich, as I didn't know of their reference in the Bible at the time. I did however know about rest.

Now, first off, in Genesis 3:14, God tells snakes that they will crawl on their bellies and eat dirt. Or dust, depending on the translation.

Well, not all snakes eat dirt. As a matter of fact, most of them usually eat live food. And not all snakes crawl. Some are aquatic and swim, ( I would consider this common knowledge, but for the skeptic a google search will bring up both pictures and results from museums (fieldmuseum.org), scuba sites, et.c on the first pages) and do not crawl. Others live in trees and similarly do not crawl. So the Bible fails there.

Now, let's move on to something else. According to Genesis 30:37-42, you can change the color of sheep and goats by putting various types of wood near them when they mate. That is just not true. Animal's traits are determined by their genes.

Leviticus 11:20-23 shows another mistake, saying that winged creeping things which go upon the earth walk on four legs, including grasshoppers, locusts, and crickets. But these and the other forbidden winged creeping this have 6 feet. Furthermore, for those of you who are KJV only-ers, there is another problem. You see, the reason those particular insects are not problematic is because their legs are above their feet. Which would mean that other insects are problematic because their legs are below their feet. Which isn't true of most insects, if any. What gives?

In the same chapter, Leviticus also indicates that bats are birds. Which they are not. They are mammals. They lack many obvious bird features, like beaks and feathers. Whoops.

And then there are rabbits/hares and coneys. While it is quite true that they do not have split hooves, they do not chew cud as it is said they do in Leviticus 11:3-6 and Deuteronomy 14:7. They just don't. So, why is it said that they do? Just saying they don't have hooves to split is enough, why add in the false info about them chewing cud?

Now, Leviticus 11 is ripe with biology errors because it is the legal document for the Jews on what exactly they may eat, and if anything in the Bible should be taken word in a word-for-word literal fashion even if you don't believe it is Leviticus. So why does it have so many errors in it?

Next thing on the agenda is the humble ant.
Proverbs 6:6-8 states that ants have no overseers or rulers or guides.
Well, what about the queen ant? What about slave ants (http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/ent525/close/SlaveAnt.html <- a university site) (http://biology.about.com/library/bldyknow091799.htm <- about.com) ? They certainly have overseers and rulers.
(a source given on the site that I got this from also adds Grzimek's Animal Life Encyclopedia, vol 2, pp 441-443 to the two links I gave, but I have not looked at that source myself.)

And now, the ostrich. In Job 39-14-17, God speaks out of a storm and says that ostriches abandon their eggs, ("and lets them warm in the sand"), treats her young harshly, labor in vain, and that God (referring to Himself in the third Person [no Trinity pun intended]) did not gift it with good sense. Well, first off, they do not labor in vain as they still survive after having been around since Biblical times.
I was unable to find detailed information on ostriches caring for their young from reliable sources on the 'net that don't need membership (i.e. the Encyclopedia Britannica probably has good stuff if you're a member), but I was able to dredge up a few university sites detailing that both parents care for the egg and parents do NOT leave eggs alone, such as http://gallus.tamu.edu/Extension publications/ostrichproduction.pdf and a few others for farming sites. And apparently Grzimek gives information on it in volume 7, pages 91-95.
So, they are good egg caretakers, their labors are not in vain, they do not let the sand warm their eggs, and God Himself didn't know this and says He didn't give them any sense. And the cruel mother idea is continued in Lamentations 4:3-4.

And the well known saying from Jesus about how corn must fall to the ground and die? Well, the seeds don't actually die. If they did they wouldn't grow.


That's all I can think of off the top of my head. For now.

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anyone can do a surface reading of the Bible and come to conclusions without taking the time to understand why God said what He said.

it is easy to assume, using human understanding that the Bible may be in error but when one honestly researches with understanding, the leading of thre Holy Spirit and using an open mind. one will see that what was said was correct.

the limited thinking, as displayed here by some posters who immediately think the Bible is in error, only demonstrates that they are not willing to hear what God has to say but interpret everything through secular science and think that only secular science is right.

they are so wrong. this kind of thread also shows that those who agree with the original poster are not in a mind-set which renders them 'open' to listening to the explanations and said explanations are basically a waste of time, for they will be dismissed with out consideration, or with some off-hand remark or innuendo.
 
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Nope. Actually, some seeming contradictions have been explained to me.

Let me give you an example.

The mustard seed is not the smallest seed. Jesus says it is. (problem)
The mustard seed is the smallest seed the Hebrews planted and harvested (followed by name of book that I forget which was given to me as a souce way back when this happened). Jesus says it is the smallest seed that was planted by people (e.g. Mark 4:31).
(answer)

So some of them do have answers, and I take them off of my list when satisfactory answers are given. I have not recieved such for these.


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