Biblical impossibility of evolution

[dad]

...Gene frequencies change in populations, a change in an individual is a mutation.


Yes, but one generally does need skepticism to be a skeptic which is alll I claimed to be.

[Citation Needed]

WE are a population that evolved.

Evidence?

He knows everything, that means that nothing can ever happen unless he willed it to happen. Because he made everything, everything can only go out one way. The way he wills.

Sounds like you have a set of rules God must follow. I would take them with a grain of salt.

Everything a heretic says is heresy. Even a heretic such as yourself should understand that.

You accusing does not make a reality.

I am not an expert in any of the feilds, you'd have to ask them. They do however have evidence. Otherwise the theory of evolution would be the hypotehsis of evolution, which it isn't.

So you don't know, but believe they have evidence. Charming.

Random mutation is what changes them now, in the past, and in the future.

So how has it changed you, or your offspring exactly? Testify!

 

[Tuddrussell]

That has no bearing on the nature of offspring in the bible, or that you have proven here. What is this, a guilt by association with animals attempt?

Humans are animals!

That makes little sense. If some men evolved to have darker skin in sunny hot areas, how does that fit your little scheme?

They are a population. Populations evolve.

Good question. But the unborn offspring of men did. Stop comparing us to animals then.

See above, also you haven't really shown that babies prohesize.

John the Baptist gave his first prophesy while in the womb. He started kicking and going nuts soon as the Messiah, also in the womb got near!

Did he kick in morse code? Otherwise that is in no way prophesy.

We also see Jacob and Esau fighting constantly in the womb,

Also not a prophesy, it is at best foreshadowing... It makes no claim of the future, which is what a prophesy is.

Sounds like you have a set of rules God must follow. I would take them with a grain of salt.

Either God is omniscient, or He is not. There is no third option.

So you don't know, but believe they have evidence. Charming.

And your point is? It's a reasonable assumption to make, afterall with all the opposition that evolution has if there were evidence against it or not enough for it then it would be utterly trashed.

But it hasn't, it survived to this day because it is the best theory we have.

So how has it changed you, or your offspring exactly?

...Are you saying you don't understad that a mutation is a difference?

 

[dad]

Humans are animals!

Not on kind. Not in my eyes. Not in any sane person's mind. Not in God's mind.

They are a population. Populations evolve.

Given enough imaginary time, and no God to get in the way, and laws that won't quit?

See above, also you haven't really shown that babies prohesize.

It is a matter of record. John the Baptist and Jacob and Esau did.

Did he kick in morse code? Otherwise that is in no way prophesy.

Yes it is. The Almight up and told the concerned mom, also in the record.

Also not a prophesy, it is at best foreshadowing... It makes no claim of the future, which is what a prophesy is.

Of course it was, God said that they were 2 nations in there. That was why the fighting of the offspring.

Either God is omniscient, or He is not. There is no third option.

Maybe He doesn't need to or want to know it all all the time? For example, how many times did you toot today? Like anyone cares? What was every card in every hand of every card game played this week? Who cares? Where does it say God has to have it all predestined to the tee? Who makes those rules??

And your point is? It's a reasonable assumption to make, afterall with all the opposition that evolution has if there were evidence against it or not enough for it then it would be utterly trashed.

Sorry if you thought it wasn't already. I don't see you defending the sucker here well??

But it hasn't, it survived to this day because it is the best theory we have.

Speak for yourself. It isn't even a sick joke to me.

...Are you saying you don't understad that a mutation is a difference?

No. But how have you or your offspring changed lately? Let's get to the nitty gritty.

 

[Tuddrussell]

Not on kind. Not in my eyes. Not in any sane person's mind. Not in God's mind.

That's the heresy. You claim to know God's mind, only God knows God's mind. Also if we were not animals, then what are we? Vegetables, or minerals?

Given enough imaginary time, and no God to get in the way, and laws that won't quit?

Yes. But there would have to be a reason why God would get in the way, or that the rules would stop.

It is a matter of record. John the Baptist and Jacob and Esau did.

No. They did not. They didn't make any clains of the future, at least not at the times you specified.

Yes it is. The Almight up and told the concerned mom, also in the record.

If God made the claim then that is Divine Relvalation, not prophesy.

Of course it was, God said that they were 2 nations in there. That was why the fighting of the offspring.

You don't seem to understand what prophesy is...

Maybe He doesn't need to or want to know it all all the time? For example, how many times did you toot today? Like anyone cares? What was every card in every hand of every card game played this week? Who cares? Where does it say God has to have it all predestined to the tee? Who makes those rules??

Either God knows everything, omniscience, or he does not. The bible teaches that he does know everything. Even how many times I tooted today.

Sorry if you thought it wasn't already. I don't see you defending the sucker here well??

Evolution has been disproven? [Citation needed]

Speak for yourself. It isn't even a sick joke to me.

You have a better theory? Publish it! I'd be very interested in seeing it.

BTW it has to be a theory, not a hypothesis.

No. But how have you or your offspring changed lately? Let's get to the nitty gritty.

I have eye problems, had them since birth. No family history of such things.

That's a change, a negative one, but hey we can't all be winners.

 

[Jazer]

Humans are animals!

I hear on rare occasions when there is a full moon they say it is possible to spot a neanderthal on the subway system of NYC. Unregenerate people that have not been born again are little more then the animals because like the animals they shall perish. "But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;" 2 Pet 2 12

National Geographic Channel

 

[Tuddrussell]

^Are you threatening me? Not very Christian are you. You've obviously let hate harden your heart, I'm not normally the praying type... But I'm going to pray for you.

Because I know it would annoy you that I'm doing it.

 

[dad]

That's the heresy. You claim to know God's mind, only God knows God's mind. Also if we were not animals, then what are we? Vegetables, or minerals?

On matters that are written in God's word, yes, we have the mind of God on the matter.

1 Cor 2:16 -For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Yes. But there would have to be a reason why God would get in the way, or that the rules would stop.

Or that they would exist.

No. They did not. They didn't make any clains of the future, at least not at the times you specified.

The future fighting of nations is what God said was behind the commotion with Jacob & co, if I recall. The job of John from birth was to prepare the way for Jesus. His confirming that when Jesus first came near was a clear message.

If God made the claim then that is Divine Relvalation, not prophesy.

You don't seem to understand what prophesy is...

People in the spirit of God as John was moved by the Holy Ghost would qualify I think.

Either God knows everything, omniscience, or he does not. The bible teaches that he does know everything. Even how many times I tooted today.

Seems like a lot of useless info? Of course He knows all, but where does it say He meditates on useless info?

Evolution has been disproven? [Citation needed]

Put in it's place. A created trait that came after Eden, and worked like other life processes differently long ago.

I have eye problems, had them since birth. No family history of such things.

So you got that in the womb?

That's a change, a negative one, but hey we can't all be winners.

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Could be. Or maybe someone breathed something toxic, or ate some not so great things, or got radiation, or...etc etc etc. Evolving need not be the big ticket item.

 

[Golden Yak]

Not like that is saying much.

Nothing more needs to be said.

So He might be involved in some, and is a respecter of offspring in your mind.

You pulled this bolded bit out of nowhere. I don't know what you mean by it.

OK. He actually is no respecter of persons, so you have no support.

Support for what? I assert nothing where God is concerned. You've made this claim that because God speaks to some humans, evolution is impossible for all life, and you haven't explained how you got from one idea to the other.

Well, if the creator has His hand on human offspring, as the evidence indicates, then why would we assume that this divine selection is not normal?

Clarify something please - are you claiming that

a) God speaks to certain unborn, and in doing so somehow nullifies any effect their environment or biology will have on their future success as lifeforms?

or

b) God speaks of certain unborn to other people, prophesying their future and thus guaranteeing this success as lifeforms regardless of environment or biology?

Can you show us some changes that are being passed on to future humans as we speak?

Beyond the usual stuff like different DNA, variations in appearance, etc? No.

 

[dad]

Nothing more needs to be said.

You pulled this bolded bit out of nowhere. I don't know what you mean by it.

Well you seemed to think that God would favor some people. I tried to make a point that He is no respecter of persons.

Support for what? I assert nothing where God is concerned. You've made this claim that because God speaks to some humans, evolution is impossible for all life, and you haven't explained how you got from one idea to the other.

Well did you claim anything about God?

Clarify something please - are you claiming that

a) God speaks to certain unborn, and in doing so somehow nullifies any effect their environment or biology will have on their future success as lifeforms?

or

b) God speaks of certain unborn to other people, prophesying their future and thus guaranteeing this success as lifeforms regardless of environment or biology?

The bible says some were called from the womb if I recall. It also says He knew us before we were in the womb if I recall right. It also says John was filled with the spirit in the womb if I recall. So God does a lot more than talk to others about folks in the womb. Talk about a special kind!

Beyond the usual stuff like different DNA, variations in appearance, etc? No.

So all evolution is pi in the sky then, and you can't show it in action. OK. Hard to believe anyone would cling to such a weak position.

 

[Golden Yak]

Well you seemed to think that God would favor some people. I tried to make a point that He is no respecter of persons.

Can't imagine how you got that impression. It was your claim that he got involved with unborn in the first place, never mine.

Well did you claim anything about God?

Nope.

The bible says...

'kay, so option A) then. Now, why does this make you think evolution is impossible?

So all evolution is pi in the sky then, and you can't show it in action. OK. Hard to believe anyone would cling to such a weak position.

Different DNA and variations in appearance count. Sorry if mankind isn't being particularly exciting evolutionary speaking right now. No room for improvement, I suppose.

 

[Tuddrussell]

The future fighting of nations is what God said was behind the commotion with Jacob & co, if I recall. The job of John from birth was to prepare the way for Jesus. His confirming that when Jesus first came near was a clear message.

...Are you high or something. How is fighting and kicking a "Clear message?" That is the exact opposite of a clear message.

People in the spirit of God as John was moved by the Holy Ghost would qualify I think.

That has nothing at all to do with prophesy, which is making a claim about the future.

Seems like a lot of useless info? Of course He knows all, but where does it say He meditates on useless info?

If God is omniscient, then a totally predestinated universe is the only thing He can create. If He created one in which he did not know everything that would happen in and to, then he would not be omniscient.

Put in it's place. A created trait that came after Eden, and worked like other life processes differently long ago.

Proof, or it doesn't matter.

So you got that in the womb?

In a manner of speaking, as it is a genetic disorder.

Could be. Or maybe someone breathed something toxic, or ate some not so great things, or got radiation, or...etc etc etc. Evolving need not be the big ticket item.

It is still a mutation, can't you understand that?

 

[dad]

Can't imagine how you got that impression. It was your claim that he got involved with unborn in the first place, never mine.

The record repeatedly let's us know He does and did. What about it??

Nope.

Then I guess I never replied.

'kay, so option A) then. Now, why does this make you think evolution is impossible?

It doesn't. Evolution is a created trait. What about it?

Different DNA and variations in appearance count. Sorry if mankind isn't being particularly exciting evolutionary speaking right now. No room for improvement, I suppose.

So you think man KIND is pretty well evolved. OK. I think we were better and devolved. But we can see you got nothin here....

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

This poll is incoherent. Maybe that's why only one person has voted.

 

[dad]

...Are you high or something. How is fighting and kicking a "Clear message?" That is the exact opposite of a clear message.

Well, ask God. He apparently used that to explain to mom why the twins in here were running riot.

That has nothing at all to do with prophesy, which is making a claim about the future.

Chapter and verse?

If God is omniscient, then a totally predestinated universe is the only thing He can create.

Well I never agreed with such a thing. I assumed that we had real choice.

If He created one in which he did not know everything that would happen in and to, then he would not be omniscient.

Well, If I know that something will happen and allow it, does that mean I am dumb and never really knew?

Proof, or it doesn't matter.

My point exactly when it comes to evolution being anything but a created trait.

In a manner of speaking, as it is a genetic disorder.

Oh, Ok. I thought maybe something that affected the nervous system or some such might contribute to sight. But we might ask whether what is passed down was once affected in some way..no?

It is still a mutation, can't you understand that?

Well you have not explained it. ..just stated it. How would one glean an understanding from that? Didn't you suggest that mutations were not evolution? Try a little clarity.

 

[dad]

This poll is incoherent. Maybe that's why only one person has voted.

Maybe. Maybe not. Honesty may play some role.

Have you some proof that God plays no role in the unborn?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Maybe. Maybe not. Honesty may play some role.

Have you some proof that God plays no role in the unborn?

Nope. Not at all. But it's kind of irrelevant and intellectually crappy to require proof for a negative, because that's impossible to do. So the more important question is, do you have any proof that he does?

 

[dad]

Nope. Not at all. But it's kind of irrelevant and intellectually crappy to require proof for a negative, because that's impossible to do. So the more important question is, do you have any proof that he does?

I would hardly call the record and observations we do have crappy or negative. They are real. So you admit you have nothing to evidence otherwise. OK. That is a whole lot of nothing indeed.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I would hardly call the record and observations we do have crappy or negative. They are real. So you admit you have nothing to evidence otherwise. OK. That is a whole lot of nothing indeed.

As I said, that is irrelevant. The relevant point is, do you have any evidence?

 

[Tuddrussell]

Well, ask God. He apparently used that to explain to mom why the twins in here were running riot.

If God told her anything, then it is divine revalation and not prophecy.

Chapter and verse?

Its from a dictionary not a bible.

Well I never agreed with such a thing. I assumed that we had real choice.

Are you saying that God is not omniscient, which is BTW heresy. Or are you saying that you do not agree that omniscience necessarily leads to predestination, which is idocy BTW.

Well, If I know that something will happen and allow it, does that mean I am dumb and never really knew?

This has to do with what exactly?

My point exactly when it comes to evolution being anything but a created trait.

Evolution is not a trait, but it was created. That is not a bad thing.

Well you have not explained it. ..just stated it. How would one glean an understanding from that? Didn't you suggest that mutations were not evolution? Try a little clarity.

Mutations are not evolution in the same sense that a brick is not a brick house. Evolution happens to populations, mutations happen to individuals.

They are both genetic changes.

 

[dad]

As I said, that is irrelevant. The relevant point is, do you have any evidence?

Do you? I accept the bible record as evidence. I have that. I accept that science does not know. You confirm that. How could it get any better?