Biblical impossibility of evolution

[Nostromo]

Indeed it is what it is. That's not the same as what you think it is.

 

[Jazer]

Call the bible anything you like. It is what it is. You are what you are.

“Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.” Max Planck

 

[Nostromo]

“Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.” Max Planck

Point being?

 

[Tuddrussell]

Being moved by the spirit to convey a message qualifies. Stop wasting our time.

Except there is no message, at the time they are just unborn babies fussing. It is in hindsight that the message becomes apparent, which is not prophesy.

Your dates can't be supported and are clearly same state based belief. That is not credible.

They are supported by science, your dates are supported by faith. Science wins because we are having this conversation over a science built technological device.

So an area is what? A planet? A continent? A country? ..?

Yes, those are all areas. Also islands, towns, quarries, shopping malls... An area is an area.

Now....maybe. But that cannot be proven true of pre split animals. .

Except we can SEE it happen with animals today. If something is happening now, it will have happened that way in the past unless there was somethign to change it.

 

[dad]

Indeed it is what it is. That's not the same as what you think it is.

No? How do you know?

 

[dad]

I must admit that dreaming can be very nice, the problems start when we try to mix our dreaming with our reality,
the poster looks very much like the work of Disney the creator of American dreams.

When you wish upon a star
Makes no difference who you are
Anything your heart desires
Will come to you

If your heart is in your dream
No request is too extreme
When you wish upon a star
As dreamers do

Perhaps you should put that under the poster for the dreamers to make it complete.

Perhaps the hope of ages is closer than you think.

 

[dad]

“Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.” Max Planck

Well, whatever chance it had, it blew it, by trying to leave God and truth and records out of their calculations. It has become a tragic joke where men sit on or near earth, and impose their limited realities on all time and space.

 

[dad]

Except there is no message, at the time they are just unborn babies fussing. It is in hindsight that the message becomes apparent, which is not prophesy.

No, it was before they were born that God personally told the mom what was going on and why.

Men are known of God in the womb, and even before. That is what the bible repeatedly and clearly makes crystal clear.


Jer 1:5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Evolution was not a big player to say the least!

They are supported by science, your dates are supported by faith. Science wins because we are having this conversation over a science built technological device.

The device doesn't see men before they are born, and know what relationship they have with God even before that.

Computers are fine for crude communication..banging on keys, tapping out a message etc. Whoopee doo.

Yes, those are all areas. Also islands, towns, quarries, shopping malls... An area is an area.

Is that supposed to be deep? A post is a post. Not all posts are created equal I guess.

Except we can SEE it happen with animals today. If something is happening now, it will have happened that way in the past unless there was somethign to change it.

All you can see happening in this present time is what happens in this present time. Simple. You want to have the right to claim that this represents all time and space. No. It represents your box.

 

[Tuddrussell]

We use records, just ones that can actually be verified. IF the record was genuine, then it can be expected to be verified or repeated. If not, then whatever.

Also why should science use CHRISTIAN records, when there are lots of religions? Why can't we use the native american records that say that the Earth was made by raven or the Norse record that the Earth is actuall the corpse of the frost giant Ymir?

 

[Tuddrussell]

No, it was before they were born that God personally told the mom what was going on and why.

If God personally told her, then the message did not come from the unborn babies... It came from God, which is not prophesy it is divine revalation.

The device doesn't see men before they are born, and know what relationship they have with God even before that.

Why would it have to, and what does that have to do with anything?

Computers are fine for crude communication..banging on keys, tapping out a message etc. Whoopee doo.

Yes, and they have also changed global civilization in a more profound way than any religon ever has.

Is that supposed to be deep? A post is a post. Not all posts are created equal I guess.

No, it is supposed to be OBVIOUS, an area is an area. I am not talking about David Bowie's crotch, or using some weird obscure definition... I am saying the perfectly ordinary english word "area".

All you can see happening in this present time is what happens in this present time. Simple. You want to have the right to claim that this represents all time and space. No. It represents your box.

It represents everything, because there would have to be a reason why it wouldn't. There isn't.

 

[dad]

We use records, just ones that can actually be verified. IF the record was genuine, then it can be expected to be verified or repeated. If not, then whatever.

Scripture is verified. Just not by Johnny come lately, after the fact science cultists.

Also why should science use CHRISTIAN records, when there are lots of religions?

Creation week was pre Christian as was the flood. You're reaching.

Why can't we use the native american records that say that the Earth was made by raven or the Norse record that the Earth is actuall the corpse of the frost giant Ymir?

We can look at all records. How old are they? How well preserved and written? If you want word of mouth records then you must be kidding.

 

[walkingxshadow]

i havent read all the posts but here is my reply:

evolution is a natural process. its exists as a way for organisms to adapt and survive. who are you to say that it doesnt? did God come down and give some personal revelation? have you ever even taken a genetics class? from what youve said ide venture to say you havent. i have taken a genetics class and a molecular biology class. and i can tell you that the cellular machinery for evolution to happen does exist. it is there. we can see it and test it.

evolution happens purely by accident. there is no overriding force driving it to happen. it all random mutation. if it is a beneficial mutation then the organism can survive better and will pass on its traits more readily to future generations. it is purely survival of the fittest. the strong live to pass on their traits and the weak die and are culled from the gene pool.

even humans have evolved over the milennia. we have gotten taller. look back as recently as the civil war and look at the uniforms. they were typically shorter ppl than we are now. and goliaths having 6 fingers and toes wasnt some sign that made him a monster. its a genetic trait called polydactyly. its a dominant trait that runs in families. if one parent had it you will too. it still exists today. look it up. its also doubtful he was 9 feet tall. search for ppl who are nine feet tall today and then ask your self could they have ever been warriors? doubtful because they have horrible health issues. goliath was probably in the 7- 8 foot range. the ppl were smaller then so he would have looked a giant. today we would just be like "wow youre tall. do you play basketball?"

evolution is not a bad thing it is not evil. dont start raging against something you obviously do not understand just because you are a christian and youre supposed to hate evolution. i am a christian as well as a 4th year biochemistry student. and i can tell you without a doubt that evolution exists. did we come from monkeys? i dont know i wasnt there. God could have done that if he wanted. hes God. who are we to say what he did or did not do. none of us were there. it is doubtful that are inferior minds could even comprehend what took place at creation. so that is probably why God explained it to moses in a such simple manner in genesis. so moses would be able to understand an relate to it.

but this is just my opinion. i wasnt there so i dont really know. all i truly know is what ive learned from my studies.

 

[Tuddrussell]

Scripture is verified. Just not by Johnny come lately, after the fact science cultists.

Where is the proof, or are you just excepting secondhand reports? Put up or shut up.

We can look at all records. How old are they? How well preserved and written? If you want word of mouth records then you must be kidding.

How is word of mouth bad? It is not any worse than your book, which was rewritten, edited, mistranslated, and butchered so many times it is not actually cohearant anymore.

 

[Tuddrussell]

human beings cant live if they dont eat, it means that v all r totly depnded on food and GOD

Only Catholics eat God, and even they don't eat God exclusively. I think you mean water. Food and WATER.

 

[dad]

If God personally told her, then the message did not come from the unborn babies... It came from God, which is not prophesy it is divine revalation.

If the fighting of the twins or leaping for joy of John, etc had a message from God, then the little guys were part of that.

Why would it have to, and what does that have to do with anything?

Didn't you tout computers as some proof that science was hot stuff?

Yes, and they have also changed global civilization in a more profound way than any religon ever has.

Modern conveniences and electronic trinkets, and womd, etc .. may have some efffect on society. But the real effect is from sin, and man's relationship with God.

No, it is supposed to be OBVIOUS, an area is an area. I am not talking about David Bowie's crotch, or using some weird obscure definition... I am saying the perfectly ordinary english word "area".

What about it? Point? You have some area you think we need to look into??

It represents everything, because there would have to be a reason why it wouldn't. There isn't.

It represents everything you chose to concern yourself with at this present time within your limited powers of perception.

 

[dad]

human beings cant live if they dont eat, it means that v all r totly depnded on food and GOD

True.

 

[dad]

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but this is just my opinion. i wasnt there so i dont really know. all i truly know is what ive learned from my studies.

Bingo. You were duped. Look into it.

 

[dad]

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[dad]

Where is the proof, or are you just excepting secondhand reports? Put up or shut up.

Peter John, Paul, and etc were firsthand.

How is word of mouth bad? It is not any worse than your book, which was rewritten, edited, mistranslated, and butchered so many times it is not actually cohearant anymore.

You have to ask?? Ever seen a message go round a room, where it is whispered ear to ear, then compare the starting message to the end one?


The meticulous recopying and precautions and care that went into scripture is astounding.

Plus many sources from different places and people exist to cross check! How unlike asking the next tribe down the river, or in another part of the forest how they retell their legend!!!!

 

[Tuddrussell]

If the fighting of the twins or leaping for joy of John, etc had a message from God, then the little guys were part of that.

It didn't. so it wasn't.

Didn't you tout computers as some proof that science was hot stuff?

Yes, it has tangible results, unlike your system which is exactly like every other religion.

Modern conveniences and electronic trinkets, and womd, etc .. may have some efffect on society. But the real effect is from sin, and man's relationship with God.

And longer life, higher infant survival rates, increased standards of living, greater availibility of information... What has Christianity done that another religion couldn't have done?

What about it? Point? You have some area you think we need to look into??

You seem to have forgotten eveything I was talking about. Read my previous posts if you're curious. I am not repeating myself again, just know that if this conversation is not to be continued that I won it. Forever.

I made a root beer float in honor of my glorious victory, which was that conversation. (The one that I won, and you lost. See above.)

It represents everything you chose to concern yourself with at this present time within your limited powers of perception.

Yep, what of it? Are you perceptions better than mine? Possibly, I do have an eye condition.

However, I am a better debator than you. (See that conversation that I totally WON just now. The other guy was such an idi- Oh wait that was you, sorry about that. I'm sure you're just great. A real swell dude.