Biblical impossibility of evolution

[dad]

If God told her anything, then it is divine revalation and not prophecy.

Revelation of things to come! That means..guess what class..??

Its from a dictionary not a bible.

Then when was it written and by whom, and in what way do you claim it applies??

Are you saying that God is not omniscient, which is BTW heresy. Or are you saying that you do not agree that omniscience necessarily leads to predestination, which is idocy BTW.

I am saying that I believe in real free will. You think that is idiocy?? No wonder science is [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].

This has to do with what exactly?

It has to do with a cool God not needing to know all about your many toots, or at least having to focus on them.

Evolution is not a trait, but it was created. That is not a bad thing.

Well if you mean that some 6000 years ago God created all kinds and evolving is after that fact and in the former state mostly, then I guess we agree. If you mean something else you better be clear. Make a nice clear target.

Mutations are not evolution in the same sense that a brick is not a brick house. Evolution happens to populations, mutations happen to individuals.

Individuals are part of populations. Try again.
You ain't deep, you just ain't clear.

 

[Tuddrussell]

Revelation of things to come! That means..guess what class..??

Then that makes God a prophet, and it makes the mothers prophets... It does not make the babies prophets.

I am saying that I believe in real free will. You think that is idiocy??

You have free will, you can make choices. You just wont, because God made them for you.

It has to do with a cool God not needing to know all about your many toots, or at least having to focus on them.

If He doesn't know them, then He is not omniscient. It has nothing to do with whether He wishes to dwell on them.

Well if you mean that some 6000 years ago God created all kinds and evolving is after that fact and in the former state mostly, then I guess we agree.

Horses were domesticated around then, and not much else of note really.

If you mean something else you better be clear. Make a nice clear target.
Individuals are part of populations. Try again.
You ain't deep, you just ain't clear.

Bricks are a part of brick houses, that does not mean bricks and houses are the same thing.

 

[dad]

Then that makes God a prophet, and it makes the mothers prophets... It does not make the babies prophets.

Define prophet?

You have free will, you can make choices. You just wont, because God made them for you.

That's what you think.

If He doesn't know them, then He is not omniscient. It has nothing to do with whether He wishes to dwell on them.

If He gave man something like a choice, why would He take it back? Make up your mind. He may be the Great Spirit, but He ain't no Indian giver.

Horses were domesticated around then, and not much else of note really.

Your time determining methods are all that is of no note.

Bricks are a part of brick houses, that does not mean bricks and houses are the same thing.

You thick? What house are you claiming mankind is cemented to exactly??

 

[Tuddrussell]

Define prophet?

From wikipedia: In religion, a prophet, from the Greek word προφήτης profitis meaning "foreteller", is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.[1][2] The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy.

If He gave man something like a choice, why would He take it back? Make up your mind. He may be the Great Spirit, but He ain't no Indian giver.

We can make choices, but only the ones that we are destined to make. The ones He allows us to make.

Your time determining methods are all that is of no note.

So when were horses domesticated?

You thick? What house are you claiming mankind is cemented to exactly??

It is called a simile. Look it up.

 

[Golden Yak]

The record repeatedly let's us know He does and did. What about it??

You said I made a claim. I pointed out you were mistaken.

That's it. That's the end of the story.

Then I guess I never replied.

You did, you were simply mistaken. Don't sweat it.

It doesn't.

Oh. Then never mind.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Do you? I accept the bible record as evidence. I have that. I accept that science does not know. You confirm that. How could it get any better?

What you accept as evidence isn't really relevant either, because that doesn't make the Bible good evidence. I'm starting to think that from your collective, repeated attempts, nothing will.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, evolution does not happen to an individual. It happens to a gene pool, however any difference between a child and its parents can not be said to be evolution.

Well, yes. Evolution is change, no matter the cause.

It is only a mutation untill it can be observed to effect gene frequencies in a population. (From what I understand anyway,)

It's a mutation when it mutates from the original.

You assume too much.
First you assume that the bible is true, and then that it is literally true.

Your assuming too much. I discovered that the Bible was literally true after years of examination and experience in the world. 32 actually.

Next you assume that God exists, and that He would not allow evolution to happen while he's watching. (Maybe you think that evolution is shy?)

Discovered He exists. Evolution is easy to track.

You then assume that God has an active role in deciding who lives and dies, and how. Maybe He just lets things play out naturally, it wouldn't make a difference anyway because He knows how things will turn out.
This means that He can set up the universe from the very beginning in such a way that all the important things that have to happen will happen.

I'm confident He does both at the same time.

Saying that God will do this, or will not do this is kind of presumptuous. Doesn't the bible teach against such things?Archaeology, biology, genetics...Yes, and you're reading a book written thousands of years ago and projecting it on the present without changing the context. Nothing is perfect, we're all human and to err is human.The thing of it is, we can reasonably assume that the rules here and now are the same everywhere and everywhen because in order for them to be different something would have to change them.

Everything has a reason, whether it be natural forces or divine intervention.

There ya go. You're a believer.

 

[Delphiki]

... and allow prayer and God in schools,

That prayer and God aren;t already allowed in public schools is a myth. They just aren't allowed to be forced on the students. The states recognize that Christians aren't the only people that go to school.

outlaw same sex stuff,

Good luck with that. You're not going to change who someone really is by making it illegal.

killing offspring,

It's already against the law to kill children.

Could be entertaining.

Yes, if we had cameras everywhere and broadcast this stuff like a large-scale Big Brother, it could be entertaining. We would just have to close those areas off and enact some strict homeland security measures so we won't have to worry about terrorist attacks from the Christian Taliban-esque theocracy you are envisioning.

 

[dad]

From wikipedia: In religion, a prophet, from the Greek word προφήτης profitis meaning "foreteller", is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.[1][2] The message that the prophet conveys is called a prophecy.

"Prophets in the Bible were not primarily foretellers. Simply read through the book of Amos at one sitting and you will hear how little Amos is concerned to predict. Most of his "words" are addressed to criticizing present wrongdoing. Injustice, oppression, and rich, even luxurious, worship while the poor starve, are the issues he speaks about most. Where he looks to the future most often it is to warn: if you act like this God's punishment will come. On the punishment itself his descriptions vary, from seeming to envisage invasion (3:11; 4:10; 5:3; 6:7-14 etc.) through earthquake (8:8) and drought (4:7-8) to God's personal intervention (4:13)."

Bible Dictionary: Prophets

Perhaps a secular definition is not what we need here.

We can make choices, but only the ones that we are destined to make. The ones He allows us to make.

Guess He allowed you to chose to type that then.

So when were horses domesticated?

No more than 6000 years ago.

It is called a simile. Look it up.

Thick as a brick then is called something else I guess. Anyhew....you are not real clear on how evolution supposedly affects the whole race only...or whatever you were saying. Seems to me that mankind is more than a brick house, there are many little houses perhaps..?

 

[dad]

That prayer and God aren;t already allowed in public schools is a myth. They just aren't allowed to be forced on the students. The states recognize that Christians aren't the only people that go to school.

Baloney. You should know what was meant.

Good luck with that. You're not going to change who someone really is by making it illegal.

No, a godly state or country would not change people, just keep their depravity in the back alley or closet, rather than say, in the face of innocents.

It's already against the law to kill children.

Not little ones.

Yes, if we had cameras everywhere and broadcast this stuff like a large-scale Big Brother, it could be entertaining. We would just have to close those areas off and enact some strict homeland security measures so we won't have to worry about terrorist attacks from the Christian Taliban-esque theocracy you are envisioning.

Seems to me they do have cameras almost everywhere. One does not need a camera to have say, young kids pray together for the day at school, or learn without castrating all mentions of God.

 

[dad]

What you accept as evidence isn't really relevant either, because that doesn't make the Bible good evidence.

What you accept as evidence isn't really relevant either, because that doesn't make the Bible not good evidence. We already know it is hot stuff.

I'm starting to think that from your collective, repeated attempts, nothing will.

Thanks for sharing feelings. Try fact and evidence now.

 

[Tuddrussell]

Perhaps a secular definition is not what we need here.

Apparently you didn't read what I posted. Which said right at the beginning that it was a RELIGIOUS definition of prophet, the secular definition is much simpler: One who tells the future.

Note that the definition I quoted SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE FUTURE.

I'll quote it again, but just the important bit: an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.

Guess He allowed you to chose to type that then.

If He didn't He either doesn't exist, or wasn't aware of me doing so. Either way goes against what the bible teaches.

No more than 6000 years ago.

Oh? What evidence have you? None? Do you at least have (credible) sources you can cite?

Thick as a brick then is called something else I guess. Anyhew....you are not real clear on how evolution supposedly affects the whole race only...or whatever you were saying. Seems to me that mankind is more than a brick house, there are many little houses perhaps..?

It effects populations. Definition: A population is all the organisms that both belong to the same species and live in the same geographical area.

For example: Put one elephant on an island and it will never genetically adapt to the island, but a population will adapt over time.

 

[Delphiki]

Baloney. You should know what was meant.

The fact that it's not what you said is part of the reason so many people scoff at that particular view point. Religion isn't illegal or banned from public schools, period.

No, a godly state or country would not change people, just keep their depravity in the back alley or closet, rather than say, in the face of innocents.

What are your feelings on heterosexual public displays of affection? Mine are the same as homosexual PDAs. Any other reason you can give my you think gays are 'depraved' other that the bible telling you it's an abomination? I mean, where do you live that homosexuals are out having sex in public? You'd have to pretty much make an effort to find a place like that and live there. Or is it still the little things that bother you? Seeing two guys holding hands makes you feel yucky, so it should be illegal.

Good luck with your bigoted vision.

Not little ones.

Yes, even little ones.

Seems to me they do have cameras almost everywhere. One does not need a camera to have say, young kids pray together for the day at school, or learn without castrating all mentions of God.

Which, again, is still not illegal. The kids can pray all they want. The teachers are just not allowed to make them.

Speaking of castration, I hope they at least keep all the genital mutilation edited out of the Christian Theocracy Reality Show. I mean, I know God loves his foreskins and all, but most of us sane folk in the country don't care for it.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

What you accept as evidence isn't really relevant either, because that doesn't make the Bible not good evidence. We already know it is hot stuff.
Thanks for sharing feelings. Try fact and evidence now.

lol@mistaken burden of proof.

 

[dad]

Apparently you didn't read what I posted. Which said right at the beginning that it was a RELIGIOUS definition of prophet, the secular definition is much simpler: One who tells the future.

Note that the definition I quoted SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE FUTURE.

Being moved by the spirit to convey a message qualifies. Stop wasting our time.

Oh? What evidence have you? None? Do you at least have (credible) sources you can cite?

Your dates can't be supported and are clearly same state based belief. That is not credible.

It effects populations. Definition: A population is all the organisms that both belong to the same species and live in the same geographical area.

So an area is what? A planet? A continent? A country? ..?

For example: Put one elephant on an island and it will never genetically adapt to the island, but a population will adapt over time.

Now....maybe. But that cannot be proven true of pre split animals. They likely adapted fast fast fast fsat.

 

[dad]

lol@mistaken burden of proof.

Real proof is not a burden, it is available.

 

[dad]

That's good, all creationists need to do now is show the proof, easy peasy.

Of....what? You want proof of what existed before science? You dismiss records? You want...what then?

 

[dad]

Unfortunately that's never going to happen because creationism is nothing more than a way of mashing a child's brain until it will accept the unbelievable, it's child abuse and thrives best in circumstances where children are born to the uneducated, to children who have very little chance anyway, it's sad but true and it's also true that creationism loves ignorance.

I forgot to mention the odd propaganda poster.
How sweet it is.

Sorry about the mashed brain.

 

[Nostromo]

Of....what? You want proof of what existed before science? You dismiss records? You want...what then?

You don't have records, dad, you have stories.

 

[dad]

You don't have records, dad, you have stories.

Call the bible anything you like. It is what it is. You are what you are.