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... when face with satans evolution lie, etc....

But Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’ ”

If you have to re-write God's word to make it acceptable to you, that should be a pretty good clue for you.

Too bad you do not follow the Messiah's example. Satan couldn't have managed to make evolution. Only God can create that way.
 
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Creation was a supernatural event, a miracle. By definition miracles are outside of science, that is why they are called miracles.

Not to say certain parts cannot be looked at by science, but a true scientist guided by the Holy Spirit understands that some things are not testable but are to be taken on faith.

This is true, but it's no license for a Christian to then interpret natural phenomena by inventing new material to add to the Bible.
 
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If you have to re-write God's word to make it acceptable to you, that should be a pretty good clue for you.

Too bad you do not follow the Messiah's example. Satan couldn't have managed to make evolution. Only God can create that way.

You must be confused, you are the one adding evolution into the Bible. Satan is the father of lies and that is exactly what evolution is a lie, so evolution is satans created lie. Simple to bad you can not grasp that truth.
I do not rewrite, i believe it as it is given in the Bible. On day six God created Adam (man).

As Jesus stated, i live by the word of God concerning Gods creation not the lies of satan.
 
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If you have to re-write God's word to make it acceptable to you, that should be a pretty good clue for you.

Too bad you do not follow the Messiah's example. Satan couldn't have managed to make evolution. Only God can create that way.

If i am rewriting the Bible prove evolution from the Bible.
 
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If i am rewriting the Bible

That's what adding new things to the Bible means. You're rewriting it to suit your own ideas.

prove evolution from the Bible.

Can you prove protons from the Bible? Why would you expect it to be a science book? It's about God and man and our relationship. That should be enough for you.
 
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It's easy enough; the two genealogies disagree with each other.
Maybe one should study why they differ. I find that suggestions such as "Matthew traces the legal line of Jesus, while Luke gives the biological line through Joseph." to be one of the best suggestions.

We cannot fail if our search involves more Bible Study in a exegesis manner.
 
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That's what adding new things to the Bible means. You're rewriting it to suit your own ideas.



Can you prove protons from the Bible? Why would you expect it to be a science book? It's about God and man and our relationship. That should be enough for you.

Show me one thing i have added to the Bible, you are the one adding evolution lie into the Bibles account of creation. To bad you are not honest enough to admit that.
 
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Can you prove protons from the Bible? Why would you expect it to be a science book? It's about God and man and our relationship. That should be enough for you.
That is about as sorry of a defense of the evolution lie as the interpretation route you Bible evolutionist use.
 
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Maybe one should study why they differ. I find that suggestions such as "Matthew traces the legal line of Jesus, while Luke gives the biological line through Joseph." to be one of the best suggestions.

It doesn't say that. In fact, they both claim the same thing.

Exegisis is not a process of papering over problems with literal interpretations.
 
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Maybe one should study why they differ. I find that suggestions such as "Matthew traces the legal line of Jesus, while Luke gives the biological line through Joseph." to be one of the best suggestions.

We cannot fail if our search involves more Bible Study in a exegesis manner.
From this link ( Jesus' Right to David's Throne by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum. A messianic Bible Study ) a short writing on the geologies in Matthew and Luke by Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum

Of the four Gospels, only two give us a genealogy, the same two that deal with the birth and early life of Jesus. Both Mark and John do not deal with the birth of Yeshua or His early life. Matthew and Luke do record those events, so it is natural that only these two would bother recording a genealogy. While both Matthew and Luke give us the story of the birth of Jesus, they tell the story from two different perspectives; Matthew tells the story from Joseph's perspective, while Luke tells the story from Mary's perspective. In Matthew, we are told what Joseph is thinking, what is going on in his mind; but we are told nothing of what Mary is thinking. We read of how angels appeared to Joseph, but there is no record of angels appearing to Mary. On the other hand, when we go to Luke's gospel, we see this same story told from Mary's perspective. In the Gospel of Luke, it is Mary who plays the active role while Joseph plays the passive role. We find the angels appearing to Mary, but no angels appearing to Joseph. We are told several times what goes on in the mind of Mary but we are never told anything about what Joseph is thinking. From this context, when we have these two genealogies and these two Gospels only, it should be very evident that since Matthew tells the story from Joseph's perspective, we have the genealogy of Joseph; whereas when Luke tells the story from Mary's perspective, we have the genealogy of Mary instead.
 
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prove evolution from the Bible.

Can you prove protons from the Bible? Why would you expect it to be a science book? It's about God and man and our relationship. That should be enough for you.

[QUOTE ]That is about as sorry of a defense of the evolution lie [/quote]

It's merely noting your logical error. Not everything that's true, is found in the Bible. But that still doesn't excuse you adding things to it.
 
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While both Matthew and Luke give us the story of the birth of Jesus, they tell the story from two different perspectives; Matthew tells the story from Joseph's perspective, while Luke tells the story from Mary's perspective.

No, that excuse won't work, either. Both say they are from Joseph's line.
 
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It doesn't say that. In fact, they both claim the same thing.

Exegesis is not a process of papering over problems with literal interpretations.

Exegesis in not as you suggest

I guess we should define the word
Here is a fairly good one

What does exegesis mean exactly?
Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.

Nothing about "papering over problems"
 
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From this link ( Jesus' Right to David's Throne by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum. A messianic Bible Study ) a short writing on the geologies in Matthew and Luke by Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum

Of the four Gospels, only two give us a genealogy, the same two that deal with the birth and early life of Jesus. Both Mark and John do not deal with the birth of Yeshua or His early life. Matthew and Luke do record those events, so it is natural that only these two would bother recording a genealogy. While both Matthew and Luke give us the story of the birth of Jesus, they tell the story from two different perspectives; Matthew tells the story from Joseph's perspective, while Luke tells the story from Mary's perspective. In Matthew, we are told what Joseph is thinking, what is going on in his mind; but we are told nothing of what Mary is thinking. We read of how angels appeared to Joseph, but there is no record of angels appearing to Mary. On the other hand, when we go to Luke's gospel, we see this same story told from Mary's perspective. In the Gospel of Luke, it is Mary who plays the active role while Joseph plays the passive role. We find the angels appearing to Mary, but no angels appearing to Joseph. We are told several times what goes on in the mind of Mary but we are never told anything about what Joseph is thinking. From this context, when we have these two genealogies and these two Gospels only, it should be very evident that since Matthew tells the story from Joseph's perspective, we have the genealogy of Joseph; whereas when Luke tells the story from Mary's perspective, we have the genealogy of Mary instead.

In part, I have heard a similar suggestion. I think as the fact that Luke records Mary's perceptions [or your perspective] a bit more--you might be right-- or the author you quoted might be right.
 
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I've always thought of the Bible as recording God's word.

That is true--but then we always need context and study materials as well from other sources.

Holy Spirit from others throughout history to adequately study God's Word.
Certainly a good Concordance is called for.
 
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Can you prove protons from the Bible? Why would you expect it to be a science book? It's about God and man and our relationship. That should be enough for you.

That is about as sorry of a defense of the evolution lie as the interpretation route you Bible evolutionist use.

I think you realize that the Bible doesn't mention many details of creation because it's got a different message for us. It's not a science book. So protons are not a "lie" because of their absence in the Bible, or is evolution a lie for the same reason. Both are observed in the world and we don't need to ignore the truth to be Bible-believing Christians.

You should, as a professing Christian, know this.
 
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What does exegesis mean exactly?
Exegesis is the exposition or explanation of a text based on a careful, objective analysis. The word exegesis literally means “to lead out of.” That means that the interpreter is led to his conclusions by following the text.

Nothing about "papering over problems"

So now you're agreeing with me?
 
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To bad you do not follow The Messiahs example, when face with satans evolution lie, etc....

Satan doesn't endorse evolution. He's pretty much opposed to everything God does.

But Jesus answered him, saying, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’ ”

Then accept it as it is, without your additions.
 
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