Bible-Creation-Evolution (3)

[AV1611VET]

This is the third thread?

It's very popular, and there's some good debate going on here.

Yes, I agree!

I'm surprised, myself --

 

[TheReasoner]

Before Day One, God is -- that's it.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

You're not answering. Why do we have detailed information about what was before day one? We have remains from settlements and social structures. We have fossils. We see starlight. Geological features. Genetic information. So on and so forth.

The amount of information about what happened is extraordinarily large and consistent. So if the world is 6000 years old there's about 13.7 billion years worth of history BEFORE that point.

Why? Did and does God lie AV?

 

[AV1611VET]

You're not answering.

Yes, I am -- you're not understanding.

Why do we have detailed information about what was before day one?

You have nothing before Day One -- literally.

(And don't think I'm not noticing you're not capitalizing it.)

We have remains from settlements and social structures.

No, you don't.

We have fossils.

No, you don't.

We see starlight.

See? now you're talking like it's still Day One.

Geological features. Genetic information. So on and so forth.

What about them?

The amount of information about what happened is extraordinarily large and consistent.

No, it's not.

So if the world is 6000 years old there's about 13.7 billion years worth of history BEFORE that point.

1. The world is not 6000 years old.
2. There are 13.7 billion years of maturity without history embedded.

Why?

Your computers tell you that stuff.

Did and does God lie AV?

Only His antagonists believe that.

 

[TheReasoner]

...

So you're saying that God embedded age into creation?

 

[AV1611VET]

So you're saying that God embedded age into creation?

Yes -- it's in my profile.

 

[Upisoft]

LOL -- you don't know the history of that Paper very well, do you?

Satan has tried and tried to get It removed from existence, even piece-by-piece and yet It still stands, doesn't It?

And how do you know what Satan has tried to do with your book?

 

[AV1611VET]

And how do you know what Satan has tried to do with your book?

I see it here every day.

 

[TheReasoner]

Yes -- it's in my profile.

Well, that means He has lied, AV. He has then told us a lot of stuff which isn't true.
Does that match His profile?

 

[Upisoft]

I see it here every day.

Does "here" represent the place where your rear end is located, or it represent this virtual place, this forum?

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, that means He has lied, AV. He has then told us a lot of stuff which isn't true.
Does that match His profile?

Let's ask your predecessors:

Matthew 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

 

[TheReasoner]

And how do you know what Satan has tried to do with your book?

I see it here every day.

I'd say so. Though I think we disagree on what the corruption seen is. I see it in your interpretation and I have pointed out that it is even inconsistent when one looks at the bible alone, and you insist you see it in my interpretation. Yet I am yet to see any justification for that apart from fear. And:
“There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love” (1 John 4:18)

Let's ask your predecessors:

Matthew 27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

You're saying I mock God? Come now! Stop that nonsense - I'm not the one calling Him a liar, but I think you are. Answer my question. If you're going to quote scripture, do so with something of relevance AV.

If God had made Adam with a scar and with memories of events that never happened, such as a childhood and whatnot, would not this be a lie if Adam was created as an adult?
Would it not be deceit?

Why would God make a world which with every fiber of it's being tells us is billions of years old, a world with ruins of human abodes that never existed fossils of ancient creatures which never existed and craters from impacts that never happened? Why would He make other planets with many similar traces of looooong history? Why would He set forth a history writ in photons telling of planets around other stars, of stars being born and dying in novas when said stars never even existed?

AV, what you're suggesting God did is lie. It is willful deceit, it means He will have wrought something which deceives. Is that in His nature?

 

[rjc34]

For the same reason you're here discussing creationism.

We only discuss it because you guys bring it up and derail any thread on the matter.

 

[AV1611VET]

We only discuss it because you guys bring it up and derail any thread on the matter.

Do I now?

I'm the only one here who can post in a thread titled Bible-Creation-Evolution and be asked to post elsewhere, eh?

(Must be doing something right. )

 

[Upisoft]

I'm the only one here who can post in a thread titled Bible-Creation-Evolution and be asked to post elsewhere, eh?

Wow, thinking so highly about yourself....

 

[rjc34]

Wow, thinking so highly about yourself....

He is God after all...

 

[TheReasoner]

Do I now?

I'm the only one here who can post in a thread titled Bible-Creation-Evolution and be asked to post elsewhere, eh?

(Must be doing something right. )

Sure. You neglect answering a lot of questions, ignore them completely and repeat yourself a lot.

I won't ask you to can it. I do ask you to start answering more questions though. And also; to admit that you're a human who may have misunderstood the bible. You haven't denied that as far as I can see, but you habe not confirmed it either. So tell me AV, are you capable of infallible reading?

 

[sublime911]

Yes, I am -- you're not understanding.

You have nothing before Day One -- literally.

(And don't think I'm not noticing you're not capitalizing it.)

No, you don't.

No, you don't.

See? now you're talking like it's still Day One.

What about them?

No, it's not.

1. The world is not 6000 years old.
2. There are 13.7 billion years of maturity without history embedded.

Your computers tell you that stuff.

Only His antagonists believe that.

AV please help me understand your opinion on this. Why would God create shocked quartz and breccia, (which are only formed under intense pressure and burst heat), screw with the sedimentary layers to look like something crashed into it and sort of try to cover up the crater by making it look like millions of years of erosion that never really happened took place. Oh and lets not forget to create gravitational anomaly's that look as if an impact took place and line up mass extinctions on the "fake" fossil record with these craters a swell. Oh and also lets create (or at least not cure, guess he was to busy misleading everyone ) Harlequin-type ichthyosis for some laughs. (Dont google that disease if you just ate, it effects newborn babies.) You would call this sort of creator benevolent?

 

[Delphiki]

Fixed that for you.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Fixed that further.

 

[sublime911]

Fixed that further.

I cant understand the thought process someone must have to deny this. The human brain is amazing.