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So it is opinion then. Thanks for that I'm glad we got there eventually.
Now about this pyramid strawman...
What data?The threshold is based on data.
Already have. It is beyond the grasp of undirected naturalistic forces through observation and experimentation, and fits intelligent design through same. As with the Great Pyramid, it is established to be designed through taking a position based on data, not a universal standard. It's up to you to provide data that purely naturalistic unintelligent processes can form the level of complexity found in man.
Yes I have. The threshold is evident through the data itself.No, you have not. You gave me a bunch of blather that tries to side step the fact that you can not back up your claims with hard data.
The problem is it's not us who need provide data. We already have it. You are the one who needs to provide evidence that purely naturalistic unintelligent processes are capable of building man. The same for the Great Pyramid. The intelligent design of the Great Pyramid is supported by the data.Prior to chatting here I was a member on an intelligent design website because I wanted to check out and see if they had actually found new information like they claimed. I found that they had a lot of bluster and bravado with nothing concrete to back it up. The emperor has no cloths Greg. Ta ta now.
Yes I have. The threshold is evident through the data itself.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7550583-19/#post57206524It is simply through assessing the level of complexity found in said structure and the capabilities of purely naturalistic unintelligent processes acting in relation to it,http://www.christianforums.com/t7550583-20/#post57212005
Already have. It is beyond the grasp of undirected naturalistic forces through observation and experimentation, and fits intelligent design through samehttp://www.christianforums.com/t7550583-20/
See any undirected process in relation to the Great Pyramid. An objective threshold was not needed for the Great Pyramid, and it isn't required now.http://www.christianforums.com/t7550583-20/
You have the property of intelligence which can be made available, purely naturalistic unintelligent processes and the level of complexity found in the structure. Through that, a position was And is being taken on the Great Pyramid.http://www.christianforums.com/t7550583-21/
The threshold is based on data. See any purely naturalistic unintelligent process in relation to the level of complexity found in the Great Pyramid or man.
The problem is it's not us who need provide data. We already have it. You are the one who needs to provide evidence that purely naturalistic unintelligent processes are capable of building man. The same for the Great Pyramid. The intelligent design of the Great Pyramid is supported by the data.
No objective, unchanging, established for all time, threshold, was needed for that position to be held, just the threshold of purely naturalistic unintelligent processes. The same pervades the present. Likewise, if you have data showing that purely naturalistic unintelligent processes are capable of assembling the level of complexity found in man, you are free to begin.
It is called the modern syntheses of the theory of evolution and is the reigning champ among biological scientific theories. You want to knock it down, give it your best shot. Burden of proof is on you Greg, not the other way around. Feel free to give it your best shot.
YouTube - murder by deathThe data is objective, the threshold is not. A man, through his own volition, can still hypothesize that the Great Pyramid was not intelligently designed. The established fact today that the Great Pyramid is designed is based solely on a position held based on the data. You have the property of intelligence which can be made available, purely naturalistic unintelligent processes and the level of complexity found in the structure. Through that, a position was And is being taken on the Great Pyramid.
In short, the evidence for the intelligent design of the Great Pyramid is its integrated complexity and the property of intelligence. Through that, archeologists have faith that the Great Pyramid was intelligently designed.
Yes, yes, we know. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. The data that I refuse to provide shows blah blah blah. Seen the song and dance before Greg.
Until you show us data with confirmed results showing the ability to perform predictive analysis on ID versus natural design you have nothing more than your opinion which no one finds particularly convincing.
I'll see you aroundIt is called the modern syntheses of the theory of evolution and is the reigning champ among biological scientific theories. You want to knock it down, give it your best shot. Burden of proof is on you Greg, not the other way around. Feel free to give it your best shot.
You should know better when debating with creationists. They will either avoid answering or just do what they know what to do best; Make up an answer!I guess he forgot, or he doesn't have a response...
Here's the question again...
If something is perfect, does that mean it must also be complex?
I can't speak for them, but for me, it wasn't about an allegiance to science, but a commitment to reality. And it wasn't about unanswered questions of religion but the answered ones that led me away from it.
If a state of grace exists, it'll be consistent with reality, not against it.
I find from experience that that usually occurs after having answered one or more questions first.You should know better when debating with creationists. They will either avoid answering or just do what they know what to do best; Make up an answer!
Faith Guardian, you might want to take a look around you -- at some of the other posters here like Split Rock, Thaumaturgy, Nathan Poe, and California [something].
These guys, at one time, were where you are now -- i.e. Church-going believers who read their Bibles.
But at some point in their life, their allegiance to science led them to having questions that their undershepherds couldn't answer, and the cognitive dissonance was so great, they are now no longer believers -- (guys, please correct me, if I'm wrong).
I find it quite the opposite. I haven't found one thing that can do more than speculate about what might have occured. I prefer the scriptures which tell us exactly how it occured.
Those feeling were an attack from satan to get you to abandon your faith. They are called mind battles. You signed your soul over to the devil and he quit attacking you because he had you in his camp. Everyone goes though a time of testing to see if they give in or they overcome adversity.It was, if only because of some quirk of brain chemistry, providing me with almost non-stop feelings of guilt and failure.
Yep. And I've often wondered also: Miracles, the Hand of God, and the like were frequently seen in biblical times, so what happened? How come god never visibly intervenes now like he allegedly did in the past? You know, something we can see...
Those feeling were an attack from satan to get you to abandon your faith. They are called mind battles. You signed your soul over to the devil and he quit attacking you because he had you in his camp. Everyone goes though a time of testing to see if they give in or they overcome adversity.
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