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I never said salvation is by works. I was waiting for your answer is salvation by faith alone? What about love? Are we saved by faith without love?
If you believe you can loose it, than it is by works. I know, because I remember what it was like when I couldn't see His blood was sufficient. It is either by His blood or the self-righteous stench of human effort. It can't be booth! A little yeast works through the whole batch!
 
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Yahuweh Indeed, In Spirit and In Truth Revealed Salvation , as Promised, to little children. Jesus' Blood is more than sufficient, absolutely true, AS He Says.

THAT ^^^ is not the worry, concern, or lie being addressed and exposed in this thread. >

(NOT as men try to claim for the lost when they are still lost and remain lost - nor for those who trample underfoot the blood of the lamb who was slain - for whom there NO LONGER REMAINS ANY SACRIFICE (no atonement, no redemption, no salvation) for their sins. )

As God Says Absolutely Finally in His Word, which is TRUTH, and cannot be changed by any false claims, false teachings, or false gospels, which are anathema (He Says)>
I can't show you His blood is sufficient, only God can show you. The very reason why Jesus said IT IS FINISHED. If the cross isn't the finish line, the old man will remain in the driver's seat.
 
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If you believe you can loose it, than it is by works. I know, because I remember what it was like when I couldn't see His blood was sufficient. It is either by His blood or the self-righteous stench of human effort. It can't be booth! A little yeast works through the whole batch!
No.
Your experience does not make it so - in fact, it contradicts what God Says.
 
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I can't show you His blood is sufficient, only God can show you. The very reason why Jesus said IT IS FINISHED. If the cross isn't the finish line, the old man will remain in the driver's seat.
Apparently you can't show anyone ....
when people cast an offer of eternal life aside,
they don't have to do anything, they don't have to do any works to cast it aside - just go on as they normally do (in sin, death, destruction)....
abandoning Jesus' Blood to life apart from Him,
NOT GOING thru the narrow gate to eternal life.
They remain in death, and eventually are destroyed in the lake of fire.
 
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Your experience does not make it so - in fact, it contradicts what God Says.
Like I told said, it is either by His blood or the self-rightous stench of human effort. It can't be both. Jesus said IT IS FINISHED, he did not say it is UNfinished.
 
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Apparently you can't show anyone ....
when people cast an offer of eternal life aside,
they don't have to do anything, they don't have to do any works to cast it aside - just go on as they normally do (in sin, death, destruction)....
abandoning Jesus' Blood to life apart from Him,
NOT GOING thru the narrow gate to eternal life.
They remain in death, and eventually are destroyed in the lake of fire.
He did the work, not you. "No longer I but Christ" does not operate in a GRACE that is insufficient, only in a grace that IS SUFFICIENT
 
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Like I told said, it is either by His blood or the self-rightous stench of human effort. It can't be both. Jesus said IT IS FINISHED, he did not say it is UNfinished.
He did say the lost are lost - nothing is finished for them to receive eternal life but for judgment yes - they rejected Him and they cannot receive eternal life apart from Hm.
 
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He did the work, not you. "No longer I but Christ" does not operate in a GRACE that is insufficient, only in a grace that IS SUFFICIENT
and in those who are lost, no grace is sufficient. It would have been, if they believed, but they are already condemned, or later, for their unbelief, no matter what Jesus did for others to save others as written.

The lost are lost, the wicked are more wicked daily,

the saved are saved today, the righteous are more righteous daily....
 
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He did say the lost are lost - nothing is finished for them to receive eternal life but for judgment yes - they rejected Him and they cannot receive eternal life apart from Hm.
Agreed. Those who reject the payment for their sins, who is Christ, God's sacrifice for the sins of the world. Yes, they will die in their sins!
 
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Agreed. Those who reject the payment for their sins, who is Christ, God's sacrifice for the sins of the world. Yes, they will die in their sins!
Thank you for clarifying now.

For a while, it seemed you were trying to teach the false gospel (that this thread is about/ exposing it) . Sorry for misunderstanding your position, glad to hear the good news now !
 
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and in those who are lost, no grace is sufficient. It would have been, if they believed, but they are already condemned, or later, for their unbelief, no matter what Jesus did for others to save others as written.

The lost are lost, the wicked are more wicked daily,

the saved are saved today, the righteous are more righteous daily....
Thank you for clarifying now.

For a while, it seemed you were trying to teach the false gospel (that this thread is about/ exposing it) . Sorry for misunderstanding your position, glad to hear the good news now !
The Letter Kills but the Spirit Gives Life

I believe the best way to explain why those who reject Christ are still under God’s wrath is by explaining the two covenants. The letter (old) and the Spirit (new). Only those who are born of the Spirit are IN CHRIST and freed from the law (letter).

Romans 2:29
but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in THE SPIRIT, not in THE LETTER; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Romans 7:6
But now we have been delivered from the LAW, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of THE SPIRIT and not in the oldness of the LETTER.

2 Corinthians 3:6
who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the LETTER but of the SPIRIT; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

In these verses we clearly see that the two covenants are of the Law and the Spirit. So which one of these covenants is by grace?

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are NOT UNDER LAW but UNDER GRACE.

Matthew 26:28
For this is MY BLOOD of the NEW COVENANT, which is shed for many for the REMISSION OF SINS.

Ephesians 1:7
IN WHOM we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, according to the RICHES OF HIS GRACE;

Now let's take a look at why those who reject Christ are under god’s wrath and not under grace….

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the WRATH OF GOD abides on him.”

Romans 4:15
because THE LAW brings about WRATH; for where there is NO LAW there is NO TRANSGRESSION.

Romans 5:13
For until the law sin was in the world: but SIN IS NOT IMPUTED when there is NO LAW.

There is only one way to die to the old (law) and be born of the Spirit (new) and that is by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. To die to the law is to die to sin, and those who are free from the law are no longer under God’s wrath.

Romans 7:1-2
Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the HUSBAND DIES, she is RELEASED FROM THE LAW of her husband.

Romans 7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become DEAD TO THE LAW through the BODY OF CHRIST, that you may be MARRIED TO ANOTHER—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God

Romans 10:4
For CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW for righteousness to EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES.

Romans 6:5-11
For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was CRUCIFIED WITH HIM, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For HE WHO HAS DIED has been FREED FROM SIN. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be DEAD INDEED TO SIN, but ALIVE TO GOD IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD.

Colossians 1:21-22
And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 IN THE BODY OF HIS FLESH THROUGH DEATH, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—

Summary:
A person is either under the law (letter) or under grace. There is no in-between. When a person believes in the Lord Jesus Christ they die to the law through the body of Christ and are married to another. They must first die to the old to be born of the Spirit. The Spirit is of the New Covenant and the letter is of the Old. The law (letter) brings wrath because NO ONE can fulfill its righteous requirements. But we have a blessed hope in all this hopelessness. We have the Lamb of God who is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes. He was the only one who could fulfill these requirements, and those requirements were met when this righteous lamb of God was crucified on a lonely hill called Calvary. So those who reject Christ are under God’s wrath because they are still under the law, therefore still under the condemnation of sin. Their sins are still counted against them because they have rejected the end of the law.. Who is CHRIST JESUS… the PAYMENT for ALL SINS!!

He is the RESURRECTION and the LIFE because HE IS THE PAYMENT FOR OUR SINS... THE SACRIFICE! Remember ONLY IN CHRIST do we have redemption through His blood the forgiveness of sins. And if anyone is IN CHRIST, OLD THINGS have PASSED AWAY, ALL THINGS HAVE BECOME NEW!! They have to be IN CHRIST to be REDEEMED. There is no “sin free zone” outside of Christ because HE IS THE ATONING SACRIFICE... HE IS THE PROPITIATION… HE IS REDEMPTION… HE IS OUR SANCTIFICATION… HE IS OUR RECONCILIATION… HE IS OUR JUSTIFICATION… HE IS OUR FORGIVENESS… HE IS OUR REDEEMER!! HE IS THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE!! Therefore HE IS OUR ALL IN ALL!!

Grace and Peace….
 
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If you believe you can loose it, than it is by works. I know, because I remember what it was like when I couldn't see His blood was sufficient. It is either by His blood or the self-righteous stench of human effort. It can't be booth! A little yeast works through the whole batch!

This is why you can’t answer a single question I ask, because you can’t back your beliefs with ALL scripture, only bits and pieces. You’ll never be able to discern the truth as long as you keep dismissing parts of the message.
 
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If you believe you can loose it, than it is by works. I know, because I remember what it was like when I couldn't see His blood was sufficient. It is either by His blood or the self-righteous stench of human effort. It can't be booth! A little yeast works through the whole batch!

Ever read Matthew 7 or Matthew 24?
 
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This is why you can’t answer a single question I ask, because you can’t back your beliefs with ALL scripture, only bits and pieces. You’ll never be able to discern the truth as long as you keep dismissing parts of the message.
It took a little while, no time really, to get to an agreement -
this thread has taken on extra proportions outside the exposure of the heresy of u.r.

His participation has been refreshing actually, having seen his faith and faithfulness and zeal...

The questions not just in our interaction with him, but in other threads , other participants, often get mixed and jumbled all about,
partly because of the rules, (which don't allow total open truth honesty (we can't 'risk' offending anyone) ) ,
and partly because that's just human! (almost typed humane... perhaps that too!? :) )
 
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Is believing a work? What if I stop believing am I still saved?
Yes as Jesus said - this is the work of Him Who Sent Me - BELIEVE ...

If someone stops believing, it is impossible for them to please God....
 
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It took a little while, no time really, to get to an agreement -
this thread has taken on extra proportions outside the exposure of the heresy of u.r.

His participation has been refreshing actually, having seen his faith and faithfulness and zeal...

The questions not just in our interaction with him, but in other threads , other participants, often get mixed and jumbled all about,
partly because of the rules, (which don't allow total open truth honesty (we can't 'risk' offending anyone) ) ,
and partly because that's just human! (almost typed humane... perhaps that too!? :) )

What shall we do then when the laws of man overrule the laws of God? Shall we not preach the gospel in fear of persecution? Surely not ;)
 
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Dear Skidder: Thank you for beginning this thread. I do trust you will stay with us as it continues to unfold.

I hope you will take a wee bit of time and explore "the list". I will be adding others to it if I can keep breathing LOL. Please feel at liberty to present any wascally wabbit on the list or off who is NOT a proper vessel of our Glorious Lord.

Please add to the list, John Gavazzoni>>>>

Index Of Writings Of John Gavazzoni

Dear Skidder: As an old man I am beginning to be patient. You still have not produced one single individual who is a flaw on Father as a result of the proclamation of the Restitution of all things. While we continue to wait let's add another rascal to "the list'.

Keith DeRose

http://campuspress.yale.edu/keithderose/1129-2/
 
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