BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

[FineLinen]

Dear Skidder: Where oh where did you ever come up with such a silly idea? Are you aware of Sir Isaac Watts? Yup, the author of over 750 Hymns of the Christian faith, one of which we shall be singing during this festive season (Joy To The World). Are you remotely conceiving of individuals of this calibre declaring "another Gospel? How about George MacDonald or dozens and dozens of others of like passion? My friend, wake up, stir yourself and show us some of these ones in bed with sin acclaiming such futility. Please please show us!

I hate lists almost as much as the word "clearly". So do not think for a nano-second the following is complete. I personally can add another 20 to the list at your request.

>Believers and Supporters of Christian Universalism

The Restitution of All Things another Gospel?

Dear Skidder: Thank you for beginning this thread. I do trust you will stay with us as it continues to unfold.

I hope you will take a wee bit of time and explore "the list". I will be adding others to it if I can keep breathing LOL. Please feel at liberty to present any wascally wabbit on the list or off who is NOT a proper vessel of our Glorious Lord.

Please add to the list, John Gavazzoni>>>>

Index Of Writings Of John Gavazzoni

 

[BNR32FAN]

Is it also a doctrine of demons? Or just a false gospel (which is ANATHEMA (CURSED FOREVER) ) ?

That I couldn’t say for sure. Man having free will can come up with all sorts of things that are not necessarily from demons.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Your Bible is clear that sand is not a foundation, and your response to my question put to BNR32FAN is not an answer at all, just an insult. To me, your position is built on sand.

When do I get an answer to my anathema question?

?? Try duckduckgo search "anathema" site:biblegateway.com
Since you rejected the others warnings and mine.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That I couldn’t say for sure. Man having free will can come up with all sorts of things that are not necessarily from demons.

Everything born of the flesh (coming from man), is flesh, and profits nothing.
With false gospels, it is the opposite of profits- not just profits nothing - far far worse.

 

[FineLinen]

Dear Skidder: Wm. Law is on "the list". Can you find anything of Him that does not honour our Lord & Saviour?

Wm. Law>>>>

The Later Works of William Law: Authentic On-Line Manuscripts

 

[zoidar]

Dear Zoidar: Greetings again. Every follower of the Lord Jesus Christ is a letter to be read of all men. It is not just an epistle of words but His reach to every individual coming into contact with us. Remember this, the working of the Lord is in stages of past present and future. Those who are marked out for eternal life now, come now, the rest in the fulness of times.

God IS the Saviour of ALL mankind, especially them that believe/trust in Him.

He is the Saviour of all men, since there is only one Saviour, but not in the sense of saving all men.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

His teachings of a false gospel, to start with. Effectively denying Jesus True Gospel.

Dear Skidder: Wm. Law is on "the list". Can you find anything of Him that does not honour our Lord & Saviour?

Wm. Law>>>>

 

[FineLinen]

He is the Saviour of all men, since there is only one Saviour, but not in the sense of saving all men.

Dear Zoidar: The Lord Jesus Christ is not a potential Saviour, He is Saviour of the all and the especially!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

.... "the all" who are redeemed, vs "the all" who are condemned. They go their separate ways today, on earth, and later, on Judgment Day, as the Lord Jesus Christ declared (and declares without change) to all the disciples.

 

[Zhen]

Colossians 1 Continued:

“if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Let’s not forget that we must abide in Christ and endure to the end to receive salvation.

um what if i didnt understand all this in the past, and when i was suffering, told God i didnt want Him, and replaced Jesus with a guy?

can i still receive Jesus back again?

i feel deceived, cos i unknowingly stumbled into a mega church many years back, and said the sinners prayer without knowing the meaning. i received the Holy Spirit when the pastor prayed over the congregation.

i wanted to live right, so I asked some people how i should live. as a Christian. and i was told to be myself. and i started to become very self focused. and went back into depression ><

i also tried asking a leader what sin was, attempting to understand Christian terms, but the leader refused to talk about sin.

i was misled here and there and left the faith when i was feeling very hopeless.

my life became worse after that, with the guy i left God for turning to sorcery to attack me ><

can i still come back to Jesus to be saved? i feel so lost and corrupted ><

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

As I have said, I sought the Truth in the KJV for two years,and discarded Hell and damnation as false and aberrant.

Later, if the rules permit, (they don't always), and more important Yahuweh Willing, and of course HE won't override anyone's free will (being willing),
so if there is willingness (like Jesus showed was lacking in Jerusalem so He did not "draw them under His tzitzits (wings) to save them"
the truth might be disclosed later about what is missing here, and what is wrong here, in the things that happened, apparently.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Since Jesus the Christ made all and upholds all, then tell me how anyone can NOT built of Him as a foundation? Is He not the ground of our being? If not Christ, what other foundation is there? It was good of you, btw, to notice that the builder is not hurt by the fire, but only his works.

How can people who don’t believe in Jesus Christ build on Him as a foundation of their works? satan was created thru Christ can he build on the foundation of Christ by doing evil works? Demons were also created thru Christ can they build on His foundation with evil works? What does building on the foundation of Christ mean? Jesus told us in Matthew 7.

“"Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell-and great was its fall."”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:24-27‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Is Jesus the rock foundation or the sand?

The parallel passage in Luke tells us.

“"Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and acts on them, I will show you whom he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock; and when a flood occurred, the torrent burst against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built. But the one who has heard and has not acted accordingly, is like a man who built a house on the ground without any foundation; and the torrent burst against it and immediately it collapsed, and the ruin of that house was great."”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:46-49‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Those who built on the sandy foundation fell to eternal punishment. They are the ones who do not do the will of The Father. Notice Jesus begins this illustration In Matthew 7:24 with the word “Therefore” which indicates that He is emphasizing on what He has previously said in verses 21-23.

“"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Unbelievers cannot build on the foundation of Christ.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Once the door is opened willingly to the thief, the devil, he and other demons come in gladly and make themselves at home. This is the danger of universalism - it "feels good", and someone opens the door to the enemy, not realizing the flood of evil they are allowing in !

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Recovery is possible, God Willing, and perhaps someone did repent after falling for the false gospel ? Is their testimony available ?

 

[zoidar]

um what if i didnt understand all this in the past, and when i was suffering, told God i didnt want Him, and replaced Jesus with a guy?

can i still receive Jesus back again?

i feel deceived, cos i unknowingly stumbled into a mega church many years back, and said the sinners prayer without knowing the meaning. i received the Holy Spirit when the pastor prayed over the congregation.

i wanted to live right, so I asked some people how i should live. as a Christian. and i was told to be myself. and i started to become very self focused. and went back into depression ><

i also tried asking a leader what sin was, attempting to understand Christian terms, but the leader refused to talk about sin.

i was misled here and there and left the faith when i was feeling very hopeless.

my life became worse after that, with the guy i left God for turning to sorcery to attack me ><

can i still come back to Jesus to be saved? i feel so lost and corrupted ><

There is always a way back! You need to repent and give your life to Christ. His arms are open wide.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Eternal life is in the bible and very clear. If this life could be lost it would not be called "eternal". It would be called something like "conditional life" not ETERNAL. It really is that simple. Again, tell me how a person can be "uncrucified with Christ". What does that look like once they have already died WITH Christ? Does that mean Christ has to pass through the gospel backwards and be uncrucified? This is about the FINISHED WORK, not the UNFINISHED. What you are doing is proclaiming that your co-death with Christ is not finished.

Eternal life is what we receive after we die or when Jesus returns. Until then we have the hope and the promise of eternal life IF we remain in the faith. Did you read the scriptures I provided?

“"I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; (cuts off or removes) and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:1-2‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:6‬ ‭NASB‬‬

“But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:17-23‬ ‭NASB‬‬

There are two ways we can view salvation. Either from God’s perspective which is looking at it from the aspect of who’s names are written in the book of life and there’s man’s perspective which is by looking at those who are on the path to being written in the book of life. The book of life is written according to God’s foreknowledge of who will abide in Christ to the end. Because of our free will the choices we make throughout our life are right now determining what God has already foreseen. So a person son can be on the path to receiving salvation and veer off that path resulting in God foreseeing that he did not abide in Christ thus he was not written in the book of life. That person who was on the path and strayed away would’ve received salvation if he had not strayed from the path therefore he lost the salvation he would’ve received because he did not remain in Christ. So from God’s perspective the names who are written in the book of life will not be edited and therefore cannot lose their salvation but from our perspective not knowing who is written in the book of life or who will or will not remain in Christ our salvation is still contingent upon the choices we make. So we still have the power to choose our own destiny.

 

[Zhen]

There is always a way back! You need to repent and give your life to Christ. His arms are open wide.

um may i know what it means to repent?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Everything born of the flesh (coming from man), is flesh, and profits nothing.
With false gospels, it is the opposite of profits- not just profits nothing - far far worse.

Yes but I believe even those who don’t fully understand God’s word can be saved. It’s not the understanding that saves us, it’s the love for God that saves us.

 

[BNR32FAN]

um what if i didnt understand all this in the past, and when i was suffering, told God i didnt want Him, and replaced Jesus with a guy?

can i still receive Jesus back again?

i feel deceived, cos i unknowingly stumbled into a mega church many years back, and said the sinners prayer without knowing the meaning. i received the Holy Spirit when the pastor prayed over the congregation.

i wanted to live right, so I asked some people how i should live. as a Christian. and i was told to be myself. and i started to become very self focused. and went back into depression ><

i also tried asking a leader what sin was, attempting to understand Christian terms, but the leader refused to talk about sin.

i was misled here and there and left the faith when i was feeling very hopeless.

my life became worse after that, with the guy i left God for turning to sorcery to attack me ><

can i still come back to Jesus to be saved? i feel so lost and corrupted ><

Allow Jesus to answer that question friend.

“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:37‬ ‭NASB‬‬

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes but I believe even those who don’t fully understand God’s word can be saved. It’s not the understanding that saves us, it’s the love for God that saves us.

He loves those who end up and remain unsaved, or loved some of them... His love did not save everyone - just like Jesus love for the children of Jerusalem did not save them, when they were not willing. (as He lamented: ".... you would not...." (be drawn under His tzitzits(wings) ) ) ....
God's Amazing Agape (Love) does not diminish His Righteous Judgment, Justice, and Righteousness.