Conservative Bible publishers are the one's who changed the meaning of the anti-gay verses, because it increased Bible sales among conservatives. Bible Publishers are not above deception to make a profit.
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Why should I trust your interpretation and not that of all the scholars that have worked on translating bibles and such? I wont.
I however have said what I needed to say. Homosexual acts are sinful, but not having the attraction. I will not debate this.
Don't come to the Liberal forum and attack our views on scripture and these issues. It is a violation of the board rules. Your views on homosexuality are wrong. End of discussion.
I didn't make accusations. I asked questions. Questions are allowed between faith groups. Telling them their views are wrong is not.*looks at the conservative forum* I see we are both doing the same thing :/
Conservative Bible publishers are the one's who changed the meaning of the anti-gay verses, because it increased Bible sales among conservatives. Bible Publishers are not above deception to make a profit.
What I am looking for is what the Bible says on the issue.
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To add to your post for purposes of the OP, she is female. The Torah never condemns lesbians, so without expanding on the traditional view of same-sex acts beyond the Bible, female same-sex acts are not mentioned.Thank you for raising this, paintedgoldfish, and God bless you in your quest to be yourself and find a church that accepts you as God made you.
To your question, can you be gay and a Christian, the answer is simple: yes.
To the question, can you be in a practising gay relationship and a Christian, my answer would be equally simple: yes.
I won't go over the Biblical arguments; undoubtedly there are a few verses in Leviticus and Romans that condemn some sexual practices that might be same sex: as other posters have said, there are scholars, e.g. Jeffrey John, who have argued that these refer to temple prostitution, orgies and the like.
But for those who insist that the Bible condemns homosexuality, can I put in a plea for consistency? The Bible also condemns eating shellfish (Leviticus 11) - so please ban prawn sandwiches from your churches as well as gay people. The Bible also says that adulterers (both male and female) should be put to death: get the stones ready, folks. It is ok to have slaves (Leviticus 25) provided you take them from other nations than God's people, so William Wilberforce was obviously wrong. And in case you think I'm just referring to the Old Testament, remember that those slaves should obey their masters (Ephesians 6). Oh, and I hope you don't let women speak in church: St Paul would never approve (1 Corinthians 14)!
If anybody's irony radar is malfunctioning, I don't actually believe in slavery, stoning adulterers, or avoiding prawn sandwiches, and I worked quite happily with our female vicar until she moved on recently. What I don't like is people arbitrarily taking some Biblical passages that suit their homophobic prejudices, and conveniently forgetting how problematic it is to take the Bible as a simple lawbook for Christian living.
Either accept the whole lot if you can, or else accept that God's scriptural word to us is found in the whole sweep of salvation history, focussed in Jesus' opening the Kingdom to Zaccheus, Simon the Leper, Mary Magdalene and others, and not in individual phrases taken out of context and used as magic oracles.
What is gayness and the gay lifestyle? Neither exist. And one cannot stop being gay, anymore than you could stop being straight.Reading for the scripture, I think gayness is against God, you cant change that fact in my opinion.
But on the other hand, You can try, but you have to seperate yourself from the gay lifestyle, I mean, you have to force yourself against it. I dont think its possible with this new attitude where people try to balance the two.
What does loving someone of the same-sex hurt? How does that break God's command to love?I used to be an aggressive and racist person, I couldnt just turn around and say "its okay to be aggressive and racist and be Christian", because it contradicts Gods command to love. Regardless of what way i could spin it, if God truly touches your life, you leave behind the wrongful lifestyle (I am not saying its a battle won over night though), you cant just make exeptions for it to suit the lifestyle, because you compromising Gods commands for your own sins.
It seems as though among Fundamentalists and Conservatives, the Golden Rule only applies to people who think and believe exactly as they do.Being a pedaphile breaks the Golden Rule, two women in a loving relationship doesn't. So no, pedaphilia will never be the next liberal question.
For the life of me I will never understand what conservatives do with Jesus', Paul's, and James' teaching of the Golden Rule. Are those parts cut out of their Bibles?
I'm calling a Poe. Pro Jew one minute, Anti-Semitic posts the next, pro liberal one minute, anti liberal the next, pro pedophilia and beastiality.The law should be changed to legalize relationships between adults and children, and humans and their animals. Children can give consent and the idea of getting consent from an animal is insane. In every state of the US, two same-sex adults can legally have consensual sex, but because there's so much paedophobia and beastiphobia, people having sex with children and animals are sent to jail.
The love of a father for his son is the most pure of love, why should that be a criminal offense? Why should the church condemn it?
Or, is this too soon?
It seems as though among Fundamentalists and Conservatives, the Golden Rule only applies to people who think and believe exactly as they do.
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